Comrades, In the Comrade Delta affair, one of the SWP's justifications for investigating the matter internally was that the police and courts have a notoriously poor record of prosecuting rape. That of course begs the question that if the proper legal authorities find rape a difficult crime to prosecute, how can a small party like the SWP do any better? As it turned out, the SWP's disciplinary committee was just as prejudicial as any court of law, with one member questioning the alleged victim about her drinking habits.
The other justification given was that the bourgeois courts would use the case as an opportunity to destroy the SWP. Arguably the party's response has caused more damage. James On 30 July 2013 22:14, Dominic Tweedie <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's the "more communist than thou" kind of anti-communism that I am > describing. It's quite common. You must have noticed it. I gave plenty of > examples, not just Jim. > > As for NUMSA, it is a trade union. It is not supposed to be saying, > through the mouth of its General Secretary, that it is all right for a boss > to be having sex with the juniors in the workplace. > > The example of the SWP goes to show that things like that do have > consequences. > > Open flouting of trade union principles by senior trade unionists will > have consequences, if not at once, then later on. In the case of "Comrade > Delta", six months passed between him being cleared by the DC, and his > resignation. > > The wheels turn slowly but they grind small. > > > VC > > > > > On 30 July 2013 22:35, Jejeyaqub <[email protected]> wrote: > >> VC, >> >> Let me start by appreciating the efforts made by your good self by >> relating what transpired in the SWP, however, the fundamental problem is >> your insinuations and actually referring to cde Irvin Jim as what appears >> to be your classical example, which is for me non dialectical. Have you >> conducted any scientific study to support your accusations and the charges >> leveled against Numsa GS before you could arrive at your conclusions. What >> are you trying to tell us about Numsa, are you suggesting that Numsa could >> possibly be unaware or rather myopic to an extend that they would fail to >> analyze their own conditions. If according to your good self, cde Jim is an >> anti-communist, would that mean this anti communist is either communicating >> unawarely so, the communist perspectives of Numsa or does it mean Numsa is >> also anti communist. >> >> I hope without any form of sarcasm, the VC would clarify me and remove >> the ideological fog that has been destructing and ultimately causing me the >> inability to realize the anti communist tendencies displayed by Cde Jim. >> >> Sent from uNxasana >> >> On 30 Jul 2013, at 9:39 PM, VC <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Meanwhile, in Britain, “Comrade Delta” is reported to have resigned this >> month (July 2013) six or seven months after his case went public. >> >> Who is “Comrade Delta”? >> >> *Answer:* The alleged rapist in the case that has destroyed the >> “Socialist Workers Party”. >> >> What was the “Socialist Workers Party”? >> >> *Answer:* The SWP was the largest of the anti-communist “left” >> organisations in the UK, roughly corresponding in SA to the politics of >> Terry Bell, Martin Jansen, Patrick Bond, Moses Mayekiso (until he joined >> COPE), Irvin Jim, Julius Malema, Floyd Shivambu and “WASP”. Its slogan is >> “socialism from below”. >> >> So what? Are >> >> >> *Answer:* The rape allegation was made by a young woman against a >> “senior party official” (“Comrade Delta”). Instead of taking it to the >> courts of law, the SWP decided to deal with it in a “Disputes Committee” >> (DC). The DC decided that no rape had taken place. >> >> And then? >> >> *Answer:* Then the SWP started falling apart. 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