All you comrades who have commented on the report on the National Secretary's statement posted herein clearly did not care to read the report, and if you ever read it you most probably read the headline and thereby missed the point.
Firstly, you fail to understand the reference to Thuli Madonsela not being a god. Instead you chose to analyse it narrowly without any reference to the context under which that statement was made. By "context" I mean NS's presentation as a whole together with the event in which it was made, including the people who were being addressed that particular day. If one looks at the reference to "god" one will find that the statement does not end there. It goes on and links this "god" with the "Ten commandments." He did not claim that there is a god that we should all respect, together with that god's Ten Commandments. The first point to be made in the interpretation of this statement is that many people in general, and the youth that was there in particular, will readily accept things under the banner of "god" and the "ten commandments." In this case he correctly warns against following these so-called accepted standards of morality (god and ten commandments) which many people follow so ignorantly. He does not, instead, seek to claim that "god" is our new tools of morality. Rather he is warning young people against following the "god is always correct" line of thinking when Thuli Madonsela, or anyone in the office of the Public Protector, is concerned. Thus, Thuli Madonsela is not god in this context. If you read the statement contextually you will come to this conclusion. Secondly, it seems that comrades did not bother to scrutinise the NS's opinions as reported in the post above thereby missed an opportunity to raise key issues. The NS did not attack the personality of Thuli Madonsela. He concentrated on her work and reports. He says it himself when he says: I appeal to you comrades, let's not attack her personality, how she walks or how she speaks or the colour of her lip-stick. We must engage her on the basis of her investigations, findings and the provisions in the constitution and the Public Protector's Act. The public protector's office was established by the ANC government, it must be this government that protects that institution. Don't tell me you didn't see the above quote, comrades. Re-read the post! Thirdly, The NS also made an important opinion when he stated correctly that "Madonsela has in the past committed serious legal mistakes in relations to procedure and on the substantive issues of her investigations." But you comrades decided not to see this. You chose to believe that being real Marxists is to attack the person of the leader instead of what he presented. It's a shame. There are many other things the NS touched on, but I think I will leave it here for now. Focus on the opinions made, dear comrades, and stop attacking the person who makes the opinions. From all the comments made by the comrades above, I have not as yet seen any opinion regarding what he said. All I see is comrades who appear disgruntled by whatever we are not aware of, comrades who saw the word "god" and quickly ran to deposit their shallow comments on the issue. Will the real communists stand up! Thabo Thwala On 24 March 2014 17:51, Thabang Ngcozela <[email protected]> wrote: > maybw he was told to respond and say something where there was nothig to > say. > > ------------------------------ > Subject: Re: [YCLSA Discussion] "Adv. Thuli Madonsela is not god" Buti > Manamela > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 15:47:40 +0000 > > > Amandla! > > I find it difficult to understand what Buti was trying to say, as a > communist, I expect him to put views based on material issues than > preaching idealist slogan "Thuli Madonsela is not god and that her > investigations and findings are not the Ten Commandments." > > "God and ten commandment", has our tools of analysis migrated us cde > "behind the bubbles and busts of the capitalist system there is a class > struggle, and that class struggle is the key to modern politics" Karl Marx > (1818-1883) > ------------------------------ > *From: * Khaya Xaba <[email protected]> > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Mon, 24 Mar 2014 09:29:24 +0200 > *To: *yclsa-eom-forum<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *[YCLSA Discussion] "Adv. Thuli Madonsela is not god" Buti > Manamela > > *23 March 2014* > > *FOR IMMEDIARE RELEASE* > > *"Adv. Thuli Madonsela is not god" Buti Manamela* > > YCLSA National Secretary Buti Manamela said earlier today that Adv Thuli > Madonsela is not god and that her investigations and findings are not the > Ten Commandments. > > Manamela was speaking to more than 4000 young people in Madibeng outside > Rustenburg at an Election Rally organized jointly with the NUM Youth Forum > and the Progressive Youth Alliance. > > Manamela said it was important that as much as Chapter 9 institutions are > accorded powers by the constitution, they were required to do this work > without fear or favour. > > "Adv. Madonsela has in the past committed serious legal mistakes in > relations to procedure and on the substantive issues of her investigations. > This was clear in her investigations of the IEC Chairperson Pansty > Tlhakula, and some of her findings regarding the SABC erroneously finding > people guilty who were never in the employ of the broadcaster at the time > she was investigating" Manamela said > > "The same applies to her investigations of Nkandla. This was a trial > through the media, and so are many of her investigations. She is driven by > the political agenda of the media and of the DA" said Manamela. > > *"No personal attacks on PP"* > > "I appeal to you comrades, let's not attack her personality, how she walks > or how she speaks or the colour of her lip-stick. We must engage her on the > basis of her investigations, findings and the provisions in the > constitution and the Public Protector's Act. The public protector's office > was established by the ANC government, it must be this government that > protects that institution." > > He further said that there is nothing new in her recent report, which she > had in anyway leaked last year to the media. > > "President Zuma did not ask for security upgrades and renovations. He did > not appoint contractors to do the upgrades. He did not unduly benefit from > the entire Nkandla process and therefore cannot take responsibility of the > mess that was created by administrators" > > "Those who sky-rocketed the prices of the security renovations in Nkandla > from R27million to R237 million should be brought to book and pay back the > tax-payers money." > > *Don't Vote the anti-Black, Women and Workers Democratic Alliance* > > Manamela urged the gathered youth not to vote for the Democratic Alliance > as it was anti-Black, anti-Women and anti-Workers. > > "Look at their list to parliament. They have 70% of their candidates being > white, and only 1/3 of those being women. None of those have a worker or > working class background and yet they are asking black people, women and > workers to vote for them" > > This does not only speak to their representatives, it also speaks to their > policies. The DA opposed the wage demands of farmworkers in the wine > industry, calling this a ploy by the ANC to bring the province into > ungovernability. They opposed Employment Equity policies. They are opposed > to Black Economic Empowerment. They call black people refugees and migrants > because they believe Cape Town belongs to whites only. This is the party of > apartheid that no democracy loving young person should vote for it" > Manamela said. > > He further said that the ANC has a proven track record for the last twenty > years in creating access to education, basic health care, housing, roads, > water, electricity, social grants, saving 1 million jobs lost due to the > economic recession and have an actual plan to govern South Africa. > > He called on all young people to continue volunteering for the ANC > Elections Campaign and not to be duped by newcomers. > > "Bantu Holomisa has left the ANC and now he is alone in his UDM, > representing his jacket. Terror Lekota duped millions of people to follow > him into COPE, and today many are coming back to the ANC as it shows that a > house built of anger cannot be sustained. > > "Julius Malema was expelled from the ANC because he was rude, > disrespectful, and ill-disciplined and represented everything that the > ANCYL was not. He has now formed a stokvel saying our people should trust > him. We trusted you once and got you elected in 2008 in Mangaung and you > used that position to enrich yourself. You buy a house for R3million, bring > it down, build another one for R16 million and yet you say we should trust > you. > > Manamela further said that they "made a mistake once, and shall never > repeat that mistake by giving you a vote in the elections". > > He said that EFF will crumble like the job he [Malema] did when building a > house for the Hlongwanes in Nkandla. > > "That one-man show being EFF shall follow the example of many other > political parties that are based on a personality cult and personal > interests. All that you know is to hurl insult at Jacob Zuma, and have > absolutely no policies. If you are challenged on policies, you spit some > illusionary vision that only a person in a stupor can produce" he said > > Issued by YCLSA Media > > For more information contact Khaya Xaba > > Cell: 071 115 4619 > > @chedetachment > > -- > -- > You are subscribed. This footer can help you. > Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to > this message. > You can visit the group WEB SITE at > http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery > options, pages, files and membership. > To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected]. > You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to > put anything in the message part. 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