How is it different from the massacre of mine workers in marikana by the police? Or are you also of the view that those workers were criminals as ramaphosa describe them? The anc and sacp were among the first to speak against the massacre in Odessa whilst they said nothing to condem the killing of workers right here at home. Now we are learning that the state will not be hold to account for its rule in marikana to the farlam commission meaning that the role played by the department of minerals and energy including that played by the department of police will not be made know as jz have deleted article 1.5 that stipulates that these two departments must account for the rule they played.
From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [YCLSA Discussion] Odessa Massacre 2 May 2014 - Videos and Photos (links and text) Date: Sat, 10 May 2014 21:12:54 +0200 Odessa Massacre Videos and Photos Eric Zuesse, Counterpunch, USA, 10 May 2014 For the first time in history, an organized massacre of civilians has been filmed by many people from many different angles and perspectives while it was happening, and is documented in extraordinary detail in "real time," the perpetrators having no fear of any negative consequences from their endeavor, and even cheering and celebrating the tortures and deaths as they were being imposed upon the helpless victims. The perpetrators were unconcerned, because what they were doing was what the government (which the U.S. had imposed upon their country and which U.S. taxpayers had spent more than 5 billion dollars to bring about there) had wanted them to do, and had helped to organize them to carry out. These people were just having fun, like a party to them, nothing really serious at all. Sort of like Stanley Kubrick's movie A Clockwork Orange, more than, say Auschwitz (such a bore!). But, if so, a hundredfold more. And none of these people (tragically including the victims) were actors! Background: On May 2nd, the Ukrainian Government in Kiev, located in the west, ordered local governments in the country's east to take over the buildings that were being occupied by Russian-speaking Ukrainians who didn't recognize the legitimacy of that newly installed and U.S.-supported Ukrainian government. There was violence in many cities, one being Odessa, where Russian-speaking Ukrainians were taken into the Trade Unions Building (viewed as leftist by the conservative political parties) and were massacred by burning, gunshots, and other means. This video from George Eliason, an American living in Ukraine, shows the Trade Unions Building starting to be firebombed; then at 2:28 a big firebomb is blasted into the building and there are cheers, but by the end of the video the flames are strong and the sky can hardly be seen because of the dense smoke from the burning building: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HOfLxp896I&feature=youtu.be The next video shows the firebombs (Molotov cocktails) being thrown into the Odessa Trade Unions Building, and occupants escaping to the roof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9AMjLBIliw - t=10 This next, very brief, video shows the burning building from the street, with someone (who is identified on other videos as "Mykola") firing a gun in the direction of the burning building: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnu0vteNto This next video shows a crowd of anti Russian-speaking men from the neo-Nazi Pravy Sector (or "Right Sector," paramilitary racist anti-Russian nationalist Ukrainian party) herding Russian-speaking Ukrainians into the burning building: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvLukZZoTh8 - t=114 This video from Eliason shows members of Pravy Sector throwing stones and firing rifles into the building: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6rGl8N0gDU&feature=youtu.be This brief video from Eliason shows people jumping out of windows from the burning building: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltgvkndn_vU&feature=youtu.be This video from Eliason shows people with clubs beating to death to finish off several people who had just jumped from the windows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltgvkndn_vU&feature=youtu.be This brief (2:06) video, which was uploaded to youtube on 6 May 2014, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgKK3vUVvio&feature=youtu.be shows an Odessan who is in a street-crowd right after the massacres had occurred on May 2nd, and he's being asked questions about what had happened. A passerby with a cellphone recorded this brief interview, and the questions came from members of the crowd, who wanted his account. Here's my transcript of the video's printed subscript's English translation, retaining its typos exactly as they were shown in the film-clip (except that the curse-words aren't shown letter-for-letter), and with clarifications added by me in red: Those who were collecting the bodies said: we were walking on the dead bodies ... [How many people got killed there?] If we take the whole day, 116. ... They are burying them secretly. They were collecting the bodies and finished off the wounded. [Did they poison them with some gas?] Not only with gas. They used stan granades, guns, traumatic guns, pump-action rifles. They chased the people into the building and finished them there. Two guys were clubbed to death with sticks. Is it normal? Is it a f-king united country? They burned a woman with two children alive. In the first floor this woman and two children were killed. ... And the Media called us ... I'm sorry but I will talk [to the media]! The Ukrainian [Kiev] Media call us terrorists. But the Right Sector [a Western-oriented neo-Nazi party, prominent in the new Kiev government], the wankers, chased us up to the roof of the builing. They threw Molotov Cocktails at us and cried 'Death to enemies'. To what enemies [he asked them]? And then they cried [out in support of] 'United Ukraine'. [He replied] F-k the United Ukraine. F-k this countrry [the newly installed government in Kiev]. [How all this was going chronologically?] Chronologically? They came ... [Were there any children killed?] There were many children, women and old people murdered. They finished off the wounded. With headshots. They jumped on their heads. The police couldn't do anything, they only cordoned off the building. The police tried to come up, a grenade burst among them, and they jumped on the dead bodies. [Where are the rest of the bodies?] The rest of the bodies are six kilometers from Odessa. We need to go there and take them. [unclear question] My name is Vania. [He turns to go.] This news report by Eliason, http://www.opednews.com/articles/Odessa-the-First-Pogrom-by-George-Eliason-Activism-Anti-War_Civil-Disobedience_Class-War_Obama-Warmonger-140507-595.html includes photos from the event while it was happening, and also links to videos. Among the still photos in it are these http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/Odessa-the-First-Pogrom-by-George-Eliason-Activism-Anti-War_Civil-Disobedience_Class-War_Obama-Warmonger-140507-595.html showing (as he titles them) "Pregant woman strangled with cord," "Torture- Gasoline poured over his head," and "Rape and torture victim." This next item is a picture of the burning building, and a list of the first 36 identified corpses: http://www.unian.net/politics/914899-stali-izvestnyi-imena-36-pogibshih-v-stolknoveniyah-v-odesse.html This group of photos includes both the photo of the strangled pregnant woman and the video recorded from the ground below while she was screaming for help: http://ersieesist.livejournal.com/813.html The following 59-second video taken right before the operation shows local Odessa police forces en-masse refusing to participate in it, dropping their shields and walking off, instead of following their instructions from the central government in Kiev: http://users.livejournal.com/_devol_/882549.html The Ukrainian title right below that video translates as "Part of the Odessa Police refused to stand in the cordon." Next is a photo of two Right Sector girls smiling into the camera while carrying Molotov cocktails to the building to join in the massacre: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203476189495505&set=a.4248624383967.167315.1536441281&type=1&theater The following 9-minute video was taken by a Right Sector person wandering through the wrecked burnt-out building on the night of May 2nd after the job was done, to inspect the corpses and record with pride and satisfaction the results of a day's work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv9_z6Cdf3g The last two mentioned items are linked to on May 2nd, the very day of the events, at this informative blogpost: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/05/ukraine-imf-lose-the-east-and-get-more-money/comments/page/2/ where the 9-minute video is described thusly: "The people either suffocated to death or/and were beaten to death. The fascists are searching the corpses for their identification and names and contacts of their friends ... apparently to put them on the list of further fascist terror." Wallets are taken, etc., for that investigative purpose. So, the victims' families might now also be in danger. Also linked-to there is a photo of a coterie of about 6 girls pouring from a gasoline can into beer-bottles to make the Molotov cocktails. They looked like a group of friends simply enjoying a street-party: http://www.politnavigator.net/opublikovany-snimki-ulybayushhikhsya-aktivistok-gotovyashhikh-koktejjli-molotova-v-odesse-foto.html Here is the ultimate group of videos: http://scgnews.com/odessa-massacre-evidence-the-mainstream-media-wont-show-you-warning-disturbing-footage Here are key parts translated from the transcript of the lengthiest video there: 0.43-47 "Let us burn those motherf-kers right in the building, f-king faggots" 1.08 Everything around is already burning. Injured people are lying on the ground. 1.18 1.20 Maidan activist Mykola is running and shooting at people, who are trying to escape from the window. 5.40-5.50 attackers throw more fire to the window and then are shouting "GOAL!!!" 6.25 - 7.13 Mykola ... is shooting at people who are trying to catch air and are seen from the window. 8.10 Maidan activists are telling each other to go to the backyard, because people are trying to escape from there 8.26 Crowd is shouting "They are escaping! Run to the backyard!" 14.15 People, who are still alive are shouting "Police, you have been bought as scums and all of you will go to prison afterwards!" 14.41 Man from the window is shouting "Citizens of Odessa city, rise up!" 16.40 People start to jump from the window. 2, 3, 4 dead bodies. [Not shown, but only mentioned in the conversation.] 21.00 Still alive girls are shouting from the second and third floor. 23.00 Burning man has fallen from the window. Crowd is happy. 23.20 Anti-nationalist man is lying on the roof. Maidan nazzis are shouting to him "Jump! Glory to the Ukraine!" And here are still-shots of the burnt corpses: http://fishki.net/anti/1266149-zhertvy-odessy-dom-profsojuzov.html?mode=profile:396961:posts From: http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/09/videos-and-photos-of-the-odessan-massacre/ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 9783 (20140510) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- -- You are subscribed. This footer can help you. Please POST your comments to [email protected] or reply to this message. You can visit the group WEB SITE at http://groups.google.com/group/yclsa-eom-forum for different delivery options, pages, files and membership. To UNSUBSCRIBE, please email [email protected] . You don't have to put anything in the "Subject:" field. You don't have to put anything in the message part. 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