Sorry Gavin:
It is difficult to understand what you are saying. You are saying I'm
correct and then later I'm incorrect?
Let's settle this the easy way, ok?
Go to Debian's own website (their official press release) and read the
details here:
http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606
What you are referring to Gavin are updates to the standard release,
which is done by individuals and piecemeal. And as any experienced
Linux user knows that is what everybody does no matter what
distribution one uses, except for YDL. And why is that an important
difference?
Well TSS, believes (their performance demonstrates this) that as people
are paying for TSS's service it consistently puts it's standard release
way far ahead of everyone else's standard release AND insures that
these packages work together. Now that's a big difference, yes?
Let me be clear, I do respect the efforts of the non-commercial
community and I'm well aware of their fans and their respective values.
However, there is a big difference between what I expect in the
quality of what I pay for and what I expect for "free". I for one am
very lenient with free open source software and the attitudes of some
programmers who confuse themselves as deities. So when I find
ridiculous coding errors in kernel source or elsewhere I make note of
it but in my situation I've never had to bother reporting it because
TSS invariably leap frogs over everyone else's versions -- regularly
and consistently -- they've done so for years, since their first
product. I know because I bought and used it then and I use YDL 4.1
now.
Now let me be clear about this because we are all rather busy doing
something, and really there is no argument here.
Linux is about individuals making highly complex and technical choices.
Not something the mass majority is really used to by the way. Some
distributions are better than others in the kind of face and support
structure they build around their version of Linux. This is no
surprise and is quite a wonderful thing. However, when the details and
technicalities really matter -- and one needs a certain level of
standard performance because one is engaged in some detailed and
technical work of their own research interests or with a government or
private lab -- one needs assurance that solid reliability of every
standard package in a release is actually there. Well, this is where
commercial entities shine and of them, what TSS has done and continues
to do today, is not insignificant.
Let's allow everyone the level of respect they have actually earned,
shall we?
Derick.
On Jun 28, 2006, at 2:10 PM, Gavin Hemphill wrote:
Derrick:
what you say is correct. As a user of both YDL and Ubuntu I need to
point out that the information you provide on Ubuntu is incorrect.
Currently Ubuntu uses the following:
Kernel 2.6.15
Gnome 2.14
KDE 4.3.5
X.org 7.0
and Firefox 1.5
G++
On 28-Jun-06, at 12:35 PM, Derick Centeno wrote:
Hi Ted:
You are probably very well aware how tricky your question is. One
way to interpret your question is that you expect TSS to provide the
latest available KDE environment? By the way, isn't that the job of
the KDE folks themselves? Remember that KDE, like many other Linux
projects are comprised of volunteers. TSS is a commercial entity.
Some projects are better organized and current than others, likewise
for commercial entities. Where they differ is at what point the
commercial entities decide to move ahead in choosing what will go
into their respective commercial products and why. Each commercial
company makes their own decisions regarding how much longer they will
wait for a certain project to be complete as a version. Occasionally
a project will be moving to a newer version just at or after a point
where a company had to decide to move and use what was already
available as their product's usefulness in the market place is
recognized as maximal within a certain time frame. Each company
maximizes the utility of their product for a certain market place.
It may be that users of that product may also see value in a company
production, but usually these users (you and I) have different values
of what that value is than the company or other corporate associates
are even aware of. Our own contribution, or wrinkle to the above are
our choices regarding what we as individuals want. If we want
something, fortunately we can create or get it ourselves.
Exploring this is interesting because it can help highlight the value
TSS or any other commercial entity provides in comparison to Debian
and others.
Let's look at some distributions, ok?
Linux kernel KDE Gnome X.org
Firefox and Thunderbird
YDL 4.1 2.6.15-rc5 3.4.2 2.10 6.8.2
1.5 1.5
Debian 3.1 2.6.8 3.3 2.8
1.0.4 1.0.2
Ubuntu They are built upon Debian (we can consider this
the same for them).
I provided the information regarding Ubuntu and Debian because they
are known to users of this list as well. You could research beyond
this with commercial vendors and others but I believe it is enough.
It is true that one can install, and modify the standard package
provided to whatever is current, but the dirty secret is that
packages are provided so that they work together. I rather have
advanced packages which work together already at boot, thank you.
I'll mix and match on my own from that point.
Maybe the link here can help:
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/showcase/customers/
Choose any one of the icons, and remember to take a look at Indi --
for Individuals.
Whatever you decide, you can always participate here.
Good Luck...
On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:03 AM, Ted Goranson wrote:
In an upcoming shift of machines, I am considering putting YDL 4. 1
on my 1G 17" PowerBook G4.
I have 4.0 on my Pismo and am discouraged about how old KDE is and
that yum never touches something active.
This message is about YDL.net. A couple years ago when I asked,
folks said it wasn't worth much.
Is it now? If I pay the money, will it be a reliable, robust and
continuously rich upgrade/update source for a desktop KDE?
Best, Ted
--
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Ted Goranson
Sirius-Beta
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