Duh... OX 3 --> OS X
Derick Centeno wrote: > Hi Paul: > > Part of what makes this list so accessible is that we each have a turn > at experiencing a ... duh ... moment. Many who participate here report > what worked and what didn't, and more. Although other sites may have > more copious information, here a sort of communal drive towards mastery > appears to exist. This is rather interesting as most efforts in > education are individual requiring individual development. There > appears to be an element within the community comprising this list to do > things differently, such that it appears that the community rises or > progresses together with the individuals who are learning and who are > learned. This is something very special and unique to this community. > > Regarding OS X and ext3: One interesting difference between OX 3 and > Linux is that journaling can be turned off and on as often as one > pleases. This is not the case, as far as I know with ext3. I think > that the interdependent relationships for the ext3 structure is more > involved. As I intimated earlier you may be ahead of me; I'll also have > to refer to the Linux Documentation Project link I provided earlier for > more information. > > Good Luck and I look forward to learning more of your progress! > > Derick. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Paul Higgins wrote: > >> Thanks for your help on this; I'll report back to the list on how things >> went >> with the disk repairs. The info that I got from the automatic fsck done at >> boot time suggested a problem with only one file, so hopefully not much else >> is wrong. I obviously wasn't thinking too clearly when I sent that message >> re: repairing a boot drive without booting from the CD...duh. >> >> Re: OS X vs. ext3 and journaling filesystems, I know that since OS 10.3, X >> has >> used a journaling filesystem similar to ext3. You're right about the amount >> of hand-holding that goes on in OS X; while going with FreeBSD is the best >> decision Apple ever made, there are some things about it that really drive >> me >> crazy. I find Linux to be a much more powerful OS, though there are one or >> two things about it that drive me crazy as well (e.g. not being able to >> automount flash drives). YDL running the KDE desktop to me seems like the >> best compromise between the two. (I like Gnome as well, but I find it a bit >> too rigid in the way it makes me work; KDE seems a lot more like OS X to me). >> >> -PRH >> >> P.S. It was estimated somewhere that about 90% of OS X is GPL/BSD code, but >> as far as I'm aware, Apple's software falls under several licenses. Most of >> the Unix stuff is BSD-licensed and can be downloaded free from Apple. Of >> course, things like their window manager are closed-source. >> >> On Saturday 16 September 2006 05:23, Derick Centeno wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Paul: >>> >>> I don't use that version of YDL however, the instructions are pretty >>> clear. You can try to see if it works using the 1st install CD of YDL >>> 4.0 and proceed from there. >>> >>> The whole point of using a repair tool like fsck is to use it on the >>> drive you want repaired, not on the same drive the tool is running >>> from. Think about it. This also holds true for any OS whether it be >>> Windows, Macs or something else. Just to extend the discussion a tiny >>> bit, this is why Micromat developed the eDrive concept which is >>> essentially a tiny partition with the requisite software so that the >>> partition with OS X can be safely repaired from this eDrive -- a rather >>> nice trick. However with YDL also on the same drive that means I've got >>> three different partitions OS X, the eDrive, and YDL; it took a lot of >>> thinking to figure out the proper partition structures allowing them to >>> share one drive. >>> There is no manual for that I'm afraid. >>> >>> Anyway don't get confused regarding what OS X can do with journaling and >>> ext3. Referring to details of the formatting theory behind these >>> concepts is a bit of a challenge and definitely not light reading but as >>> you've gotten this far you might as well go farther and do the >>> research. I'm right behind ya buddy, and should review the same >>> material myself! I just don't intend to do that kind of reading right now! >>> >>> Linux, or any other OS, has tools which need to be mastered by >>> independent minded persons -- like ourselves -- who want to do things >>> our own way. You can't get much more your own way, than open source. >>> Sadly, as attractive as OS X is; it is too seductive in that nearly >>> anyone can become too comfortable in being supported by the OS and >>> forgetting that it is in fact a tool in the same way that the keyboard >>> is a tool. And like any tool one should be familiar with it's guts so >>> that one builds what one wants! Of course, Apple's design is >>> intentionally structured to make you forget that ... the computer is >>> your buddy, your friend, and for some people ... well, you get the idea. >>> >>> YDL is a tool for you. Yours. Mine. Completely. YDL is completely >>> open and available for minute study, research and review. OS X is only >>> somewhat open even though officially it's license is defined as >>> equivalent to the GPL (this is still a point of argument for some). >>> Apple can remove the source of OS X and make it unavailable at any >>> time. I believe YDL is a special, high quality Linux; it shares with >>> all other Linux that ALL it's source is available -- all the time. No >>> need to ask permission to see it! So let's take advantage of that fact >>> and dig in! >>> Take charge --- own it! >>> >>> I believe Picard (a character of the Enterprise universe) would >>> encourage and challenge us if he was our instructor with the phrase, >>> "dare to make it so!" >>> >>> Good Luck... >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> yellowdog-newbie mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > yellowdog-newbie mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie > > _______________________________________________ yellowdog-newbie mailing list [email protected] http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/mailman/listinfo/yellowdog-newbie
