On Sat, 2007-07-28 at 12:29 -0400, Charlie Brady wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, seth vidal wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 23:16 -0400, Charlie Brady wrote:
> >> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Jeremy Katz wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:29:00 -0400 (EDT)
> >>> Charlie Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I don't see any added value in printing the message multiple times.
> >>>
> >>> The value is mostly avoiding the impression of things being hung.
> >>
> >> If I see a message which says "Waiting for exclusive lock ..." and nothing
> >> more, I assume that the software is still waiting for an exclusive lock.
> >
> > Except when that suffer is interacting with rpm. Then you might think it
> > is wedged in a FUTEX_WAIT for the rest of eternity.
> 
> Isn't that "still waiting for an exclusive lock"?
> 
> [Is suffer the same as software? Or is it specific to software built on 
> top of rpm libraries? :-)]
> 
> If the software is wedged for eternity, is a new message every two seconds 
> any better than one message and then nothing more? I would rather have the 
> latter...

The distinction is what jeremy mentioned. We're trying to avoid the
perception that we're wedged. We have enough times where that perception
is reality.

So printing _something_ is much more better.

-sv


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