---I suppose you could change two monks to two guys walk into a 
bar.......

I agree it's good to keep things fresh and current to the times, but 
i'm not sure how much "easier" it would make them. The work is still 
before the student. Guy







 In [email protected], craig omanion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I also think there is a cultural gap in koans, especially if you 
try to just translate and contemplate them as they are. 
>    
>   I suspect it is both the culture and the language. Not sure 
about issues cited in previous post (below).... 
>    
>   While some may find value the koans them, I sit instead.
>    
>   I also find them entertaining and meaningful in their having 
been a major zen path in the east. If we were to culturally 
translate them into western zen, an interest of mine, some of them 
may well be worded different or take as their players, different 
types of metaphor/characters.
>    
>   Some koans, like 'two girls are walking down the road, which is 
older?' do well in any setting, and serve to put that rip in 
conceptual thinking that we all seem to find worthwhile.
>    
>   craig
>   http://www.amerizen.com
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> 
> Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev:
>           I realize that there are many interesting stories about 
Zen Koans. I have
> found it to be very entertaining reading.
> 
> However, some of the koans make me wonder if they do not have to be
> interpreted based on a culture of alcoholism and illiteracy which 
existed
> back in those days? Some of those stories only make sense if the 
people
> involved had been drinking heavily.
> 
> 
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