Edgar; That's sounds a refreshing experience. Basque from the Basque Country. Mayka
-- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mayka, and Bill, > > Is Vasque same as Basque? > > Re 'wonderful moment'. In different senses both Mayka and Bill are > correct here. Since the emotive quality of the present moment is > illusory that means we are free (within limits) to choose it to be a > wonderful moment. I do this all the time because by choosing it to be > a wonderful moment the flow of chi is freed, enhanced and is > experienced as universal love energy which refreshes being and > enhances awareness. > > Edgar > > > > On Nov 3, 2008, at 6:45 AM, Mayka wrote: > > > I'm sorry to hear that whoever is the Administrator or Moderator on > > this website has not fixed yet the problem with the post. Perhaps we > > don't have anyone as Administrator or Moderator on this website!. The > > only way I can think for you to have my post is to write in the > > website and also to send to your personal email address the post. > > Perhaps Mike Brown could do the same meantime. Once you receive our > > both post throgh the group let us know and we'll stop sending you our > > post twice your personal email and to the group. > > > > I write to you from the website now. Mayka is in Vasque language the > > short name for Maria Carmen. The name written in my post will be > > Maria Lopez. I'm saying this so that you can identify me better and > > don't put me on the spam. > > > > There is not a misleading in the meditation step saying "Present > > moment/ wonderful moment". In order to see it, one needs to > > penetrate it like a diamond cutting through illusion. Years ago, I > > used to wonder like yourself the same question. By sitting down many > > times with it specially in moments in which the last thing I felt was > > present moment as a wonderful moment; I gradually started to tame the > > irritation that such a statement produced in me specially in moments > > of great distress and despair. Instead of trying to see the meaning > > of it, or allowing the intelectual, discriminative mind getting into > > the way. I just sit down with the "koan": > > > > Breathing in for I dwell in the present moment - Present moment > > Breathing our for I know it's a wonderful moment - Wonderful moment > > > > My foundings through the years have been many on this. It was and it > > is a wonderful moment because I felt and feel alive. I'm aware of > > being alive. Being alive was a miracle by itself. The part of > > wonderful moment helped me to choose whatever state of mind I want to > > be in. It helps to see, touch, smell, sense...all the many wonders > > of life ocurring at the present moment. This is also why the present > > moment is wonderful. It wouldn't be as wonderful without awareness > > and freedom of choosing whatever we want to be. > > > > Mayka > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill Smart" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > Mayka, > > > > > > I'm not able to get your posts as email - nor Mike Brown's. I > > don't > > > know why. I'm in the website now so I did see this one. > > > > > > TNH's meditation guide/koan 'Present moment. Wonderful moment.' is > > > saying EXACTLY what I said in my previous post: "...there is > > no 'you' > > > doing anything, there is only ever one thing happening - Just > > THIS! > > > and it is only ever happening NOW. > > > > > > There is only this PRESENT MOMENT - no you, no other things going > > on, > > > and there is only now. > > > > > > Personally I think THN's 'Wonderful' qualifer on the second part is > > > unnecessary and actually misleading. I'd appreciate if you would > > ask > > > him (or your teacher) about that: Why does he describe the Present > > > Moment as 'wonderful'. This is a dualistic qualifier which should > > > not be applied to Present Moment. There is only one eternal > > Present > > > Moment, and it is neither wonderful nor unpleasant. It is Just > > > THIS! Present Moment! > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Mayka" <flordeloto@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill; > > > > > > > > I'm sorry to say that I was unable to figure out or understand > > much > > > > about the conversation between Edgar and yourself. I understand > > > > better words with simplicity. I actually believe that the > > greater > > > is > > > > the simplicity the greater is also its depth and beauty. For > > > > instance, There is this step in one of the guide meditations from > > > TNH > > > > which says "Present moment, Wonderful moment". Initially I used > > to > > > > think that it was nice but not a very realistic way since the > > > present > > > > moments varies. But slowly, slowly I started to penetrate into > > > > this "koan" finding with surprise that indeed present moment is a > > > > wonderful moment. I found that indeed we can choose the mental > > > state > > > > we want to be!. Just an exemle to show how words with simplicity > > > > works much better, at the very least on me. > > > > > > > > You keep talking about illusion. Illusion is also part of > > > reality. > > > > Without illusion there wouldn't be reality. My Teacher says that > > > > enlightenment, nirvana is made with no elements of nirvana. I > > > think > > > > that what he means by that is that both relate to each other and > > > both > > > > are one. > > > > > > > > Mayka > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mayka, > > > > > > > > > > I disagree with Edgar on this. Actually this is the same > > > > disagreement on > > > > > which Edgar and I posted on previously concerning causation and > > > > eventually > > > > > abandoned our efforts. > > > > > - Edgar thinks reality is made up of many distinct (but > > sometimes > > > > related) > > > > > things happening at either the same or different times. (At > > least > > > > that is my > > > > > understanding of Edgar's general position. He can correct me > > if > > > > I'm wrong > > > > > in my assessment or if I'm not expressing it well.) > > > > > - I think reality is only one thing (Just THIS!), and there is > > > only > > > > one time > > > > > (now). > > > > > > > > > > So, my responses to you are that there is no 'you' doing > > > anything, > > > > there is > > > > > only ever one thing happening - Just THIS! and it is only ever > > > > happening > > > > > NOW. All the other concepts discussed in this post are > > illusions. > > > > > > > > > > If you're walking, there is only walking. The entire universe > > is > > > > walking - > > > > > now. If you're chewing gum, there is only chewing gum. The > > > entire > > > > universe > > > > > is chewing gum - now. > > > > > > > > > > In Zen Buddhism this is referred to as expressing your Buddha > > > > Nature. I > > > > > refer to this as Just THIS! > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > On Behalf > > > > > Of Edgar Owen > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:37 AM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Question? > > > > > > > > > > Mayka, > > > > > > > > > > You are missing my point. One's body is always doing many many > > > > things at > > > > > once. One could not exist otherwise. Scores of muscles have to > > > move > > > > together > > > > > to make even the simplest motion. To speak tongue and lips and > > > > breath must > > > > > all move at the same time. No one ever is doing just one thing. > > > > That is an > > > > > illusion. > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
