When you swim well, your intelligence is not separate from your action, but
indivisible. At that point the things you could think about swimming, things
you read in books, are not necessary to think. The intelligence is there in
the action.

All these words about thoughts vs perceptions seem to have a viewpoint of
analysis. To analyse without the view point of analysing, you swim, answer
questions about swimming, give explanations of swimming, all without leaving
the spot.

On Oct 4, 2010 6:02 PM, <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote:



 Edgar,

As usual I agree with some of what you say but not all.

The part I agree with is that zen is not anti anything.  I’d say if anything
it’s anti-attachments.  I myself winced when I sent the post affirming that
zen is anti-intellectual.  It’s not.

The part I disagree with you is about the role of intelligence in zen.
Intelligence is not necessary to realize Buddha Mind, only sensory
experience.

Intelligence (rationality) like all illusions can be benign.  The important
thing is to discard your attachment to intelligence or any other illusion.
Intelligence can be used, as you have said, to help orient you in the
beginning - but it is not necessary.  You can gain information about most
anything with your intelligence – like reading books or even listening to
others talk.

Intelligence can be used to learn to swim or ride a bike.  You can get a
general idea of what it is you are supposed to do, but to actually swim you
have to get into the water or onto the bike and throw the book away.  What
you have learned using your intelligence might help you then, or it might
hinder you.  These are functions your body has to learn, not your rational
mind.

It’s the same with zen.

…Bill!



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Nonsense. Zen is not anti anything except perhaps illusion.



Intelligence is absolutely necess...



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