Dogen (the founder of Soto) quotes a number of well known koans in Shobogenzo. There are no hard and fast lines between any pieces of reality.
--Chris On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Anthony Wu <wu...@yahoo.com.sg> wrote: > > > Chris, > > Any zen practice can be a mixture of different lineages. Now the > distinction between Soto and Rinzai is blurred. So a zombie can talk, > especially after a brain transplant and being equipped with Microsoft > Windows 7. > > Master Fronthorn (Maezumi Roshi) was a good friend of Seung Sahn. Both have > been very nice and enlightening. > > Anthony > > --- On *Sat, 9/10/10, Chris Austin-Lane <ch...@austin-lane.net>* wrote: > > > From: Chris Austin-Lane <ch...@austin-lane.net> > Subject: Re: [Zen] New member. > > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, 9 October, 2010, 6:34 AM > > > > There are koans used in Soto training, but differently from Rinzai - > more to hone the understanding of advanced students than to prod a > student towards an initial experience of non-duality. > > Bill! describes the Rinzai training, where I have heard Mu or some > other intro koan is used to move the student towards a visceral > experience of non-duality. After than, other koans are used to refine > and deepen the perspective gained from experiencing non-duality in a > more thorough and ongoing way. > > The hitting with a stick is funnily different as well - in Rinzai, > they will strike you from front, so you can expect it. In Soto, they > won't hit so often, but it will be from behind so you are surprised. > I've never sat where they used the sticks, I can't really comment. My > teacher would sometimes bang stuff together to make a sudden loud > noise, which would energize people a bit. She also kept it very cold > in the morning/winter. > > Another difference is the speed of kinhin. A pure Soto lineage will > walk very slowly, and only after 40 minutes or longer of sitting. > Rinzai I understand is 25 minutes of sitting and faster walking. My > teacher in Maryland (in the Maezumi lineage), we sat for 25 minutes > and would sometimes walk faster, sometimes walk slower. > > Also, a lot of US Zen training is from a dual-lineage, Sanbyo Kyodan > tradition, which uses a bit of each. Maezumi Roshi was in that > lineage. > > --Chris > > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Jody W. Ianuzzi > <j...@thewhitehats.com<http://sg.mc761.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jody%40thewhitehats.com>> > wrote: > > Hello Mayka, > > > > Usually the slaps are given to awaken someone who has fallen asleep. The > > enlightened awakening comes from inside. You can get drowsy and less > > focused and the slap is to make you pay attention. I don't think there > are > > koans in soto but maybe someone more knowledgeable then me can answer. > > > > JODY > > > > > >
