Bill, What you kill matters. There is a big difference between eliminating germs and killing your zen master. Anthony
--- On Sun, 16/1/11, Bill! <billsm...@hhs1963.org> wrote: From: Bill! <billsm...@hhs1963.org> Subject: Re: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list) To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 16 January, 2011, 8:06 AM Krity's right. All life is sustained by other life. It's just a big cycle of transformation we call life and death. I have no quarrels with anyone choosing to be a vegetarian, but if they think they're doing that because that helps them live a life that does not harm/kill other life they are just engaging in wishful thinking. Everything we do, even just our presence contributes to the death of other life. Even our skin contains acid which kills bacteria. Of course that doesn't give us an excuse to run out and kill everything we see - but to live is to kill. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Kristy McClain <healthyplay1@...> wrote: > > Hi Mel, >  > As to the vegetarian-thing. I understand the teaching as a practice of > non-harming all living beings. But I heard Andrew Weil say a few years ago, > that to survive, we have to end the life of something, beit a carrot or a > cow. He's a botanist, you know;) >  > Wrapping up my Japanese holiday, and heading back via Hawaii. (Need to > warm up). Plus, my golf-obsessed 4 yo nephew has put in his birthday > request -- a sand wedge --his size. >  > Good weekend to all... >  > Thanks to Mel, Steve and Chris, for the interesting thread on the Gospel of > Thomas. I assume that is part of the Gnostics? >  > Kristy >  > > > --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Mel <gunnar19632000@...> wrote: > > > From: Mel <gunnar19632000@...> > Subject: [Zen] the death of the prince, vegetarianism?(to Chris/Kristy/list) > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 6:12 AM > > >  > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 15/1/11, ChrisAustinLane <chris@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 14, 2011, at 7:01, Kristy McClain <healthyplay1@...> wrote: > > > Mel pondered if my suggestion that Buddha's enlightment was impermanent, > > when I offered that even Buddha likely had "bad hair days". > > I missed that thread, but it is an interesting question. What if Buddha had > gotten alzheimer's? being awake is a dynamic process not a static thing. > ---------------------------------------------------------- > MEL: Hi Kristy and Chris. Kristy your reply was quite inspiring. You've put > it better than I did(I have an excuse...you're the one with the > education..*sighs/laughter*) >  > Chris, I don't know about azheimer's but I assume that health conditions in > those days might have been pretty bad. However, I did get from the late > Deshimaru-sensei's writings that the Buddha apparently died from eating some > pork-meat. Wild boar perhaps?...which leads to this (conservative/mainstream) > so-called Buddhist belief(looks more like an issue to me) about the need to > abstain from meat. According to Deshimaru-sensei, the Buddha preached none of > this(How about fish?) >  > Don't get me wrong, because I personally love my vegies, fruit, tofu, beans > and so on...but I'm not quite clear on this 'vegetarian' thingy >  > Be well > Mel >  >  >
