ED, I would think a zen or Zen or aerobics or even a soccer teacher would "...feel bound to adhere to sexual expectations and conventions of society", and to abide by the law (which is just a codifed form of society's expectations and conventions enforcable by the governement). The only exception would be when the teacher actually wants to teach something that specifically contradicts societal norms. In zen and Zen and aerobics or soccer I don't beleive that is the case.
There is however a big difference between 'feeling bound' to adhere to societal expectations or limits and having those expectations or limits yourself. For example I might wear clothing when I go downtown to shop, but that doesn't mean I think going naked in public is immoral. I wear clothing because I respect the sensibilities of my community and their laws. ...Bill! --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > Is is it not the case that a zen teacher (as against a Zen teacher) > would not feel bound to adhere to sexual expectations and conventions of > society, provided his behavior did not violate the law? > --ED > > Definitions of nonethical on the Web: > * Not ethical; not related to ethics > en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nonethical > <http://www.google.com/url?q=http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nonethical&sa\ > =X&ei=rsRjTcnMGpC6sAPQ3uXdCA&ved=0CAcQpAMoAA&usg=AFQjCNHh0cSXS2xs26kvpax\ > ym2mYrUKlEA> > > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > Zen (lower-case 'z') is not UN-ethical, it is A-ethical...Bill! > > > > > ED, > > > > I am led to believe you think 'zen' is unethical. > > > > Anthony > > > > Bill, > > I rarely if ever criticize 'hypocrisy" as it is an unconscious but > normal > and natural aspect of all humans and human groups. > > > > The only difference I perceive between zen and Zen is a non-concern > for good > motivation and a non-focus on ethical behavior in zen as compared with > Zen. > > --ED > > > > ED, > > > > I just want to make clear that I think when you are talking about this > article > > and about 'Zen' in general that you are referring to Zen Buddhism. The > reason > I > > want to emphasize this is that I think your justificable criticism and > examples > > of hypocricy are the result of the Buddhist layers of this, not zen > itself. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > > > Zen, like most religious or spiritual paths and practices is riddled > > > with unstated or unexamined assumptions and ambiguities. The article > > > facilitates the task of identifying them. > > > > > > --ED > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: zen_forum-dig...@yahoogroups.com zen_forum-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: zen_forum-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
