JMJM, Yeah, English can be a little wierd sometimes.
For example both 'flammable' and 'inflammable' mean the same thing. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> wrote: > > Ahhh, Bill, Thank you. I guess that you noticed that dictionary is not > in my habits. > > "in" means not. "suffer" means pain. So "in-suffer---" means no pain. > hahaha.. Oh, English, English. > > No wonder I like Chinese better... Have a nice day... > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > http://www.heartchan.org > > > On 3/4/2011 12:55 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > JMJM, > > > > I would have thought ED would have jumped on this one and would have > > already listed 48 links to the definitions. > > > > 'Insufferable' means 'unendurable' or 'intolerable'. In the way I used > > it, it means 'excessive' or 'unrelenting'. I'm basically saying that > > he is trying to use his reasoning or thinking too much. He is trying > > to 'understand' zen/Chan, to catergorize and define everything. > > > > Also, if you haven't already noticed, I sometimes us hyperboles > > (exaggerated speech) to describe things. Don't ever take me too seriously. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦â¢Ã§Â²Â¾Ã¦ËŽ <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > > > What does "insufferably" mean? :-( > > > > > > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can > > > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com > > > http://www.heartchan.org > > > > > > > > > On 3/3/2011 4:57 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > ED, > > > > > > > > You are insufferably analytic!! Stop!!!! > > > > > > > > 'Mindfulness', if used to describe Buddha Mind or Pure Awareness, is > > > > not made up of 3 or 9 or 847 states! It's not divisable into states! > > > > > > > > If you want to understand satori you're on the wrong track. You can't > > > > UNDERSTAND satori because it is beyond (or before) the realm of > > reason. > > > > > > > > If on the other hand you want to EXPERIENCE satori, then all you need > > > > to do is sit (zazen). And yes, maybe you don't even need to do that. > > > > If I were your teacher I'd recommend koan study for you. You need > > > > something to breakdown that analytical streak of yours (in my > > opinion). > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > > > Is the following set of statements more acceptable to you? > > > > > > > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > > > PS: The post is, naturally, addressed to all. > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > Mindfulness in the present moment is the simultaneous existence > > of three > > > > > states: > > > > > > > > > > (1) A clear and bright awareness of experiences in the present > > moment > > > > > > > > > > (2) A non-grasping and non-pushing-away of these experiences, > > without a > > > > > sense of I/me/mine, or of subject/object > > > > > > > > > > (3) Nothing else exists in the mind, and in paricular no thoughts, > > > > > judgments or evaluations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comments: > > > > > > > > > > Mindfulness, imperfect to begin with, is a method. > > > > > > > > > > Perfect mindfulness is a goal. > > > > > > > > > > Perfect mindfulness is the outcome of much practice of perfect and > > > > > imperfect mindfulnes over shorter time intervals. > > > > > > > > > > Continuous perfect mindfulnes is the equivalent of ????? in Zen? > > > > > > > > > > Is 'shikantaza' none other than mindfulness on the zafu? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ED, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you're right on the button with number (1) and the all > > but the > > > > > last > > > > > > sentence of number (2), because we always have the awareness > > of 'I am' > > > > > (unlike > > > > > > mindfulness which comes and goes ie, a mental state). > > > > > > > > > > > > I think shikentaza is mostly about mindfulness on the mat, but > > it's > > > > > also about > > > > > > being non-judgemental about anything that comes up while you're > > > > > sitting. Sartori > > > > > > is much more about the waking up to awareness than awareness > > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, here's my take: > > > > > > Mindfulness in the present moment is the simultaneous > > existence ofÃâ > > > > > two states: > > > > > > (1) A clear and bright awareness of experiences in the present > > moment > > > > > > (2) A non-grasping and non-pushing-away of these experiences, > > without > > > > > a sense of > > > > > > I/me/mine > > > > > > Mindfulness over a time interval is mindfulness in every > > instant of > > > > > that time > > > > > > interval. > > > > > > Being mindful over long time intervals eventually merges into > > a state > > > > > of > > > > > > continuous 'pure awareness'. > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > Two questions: > > > > > > Is 'shikantaza' none other than mindfulness on the zafu? > > > > > > Is the state of 'pure awareness'Ãâ identical with the state of > > > > > satori? > > > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! 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