ED; Here you go with JMJM posting expressing the way of experiencing buddha nature in his tradition. He comes from a different tradition I was educated in. Bill, Mike, Chris were educated in a different tradition from JMJM and myself....and yet JMJM post is water clear to me. This is because post is not read under the "I" form or under the form of the zen buddhist tradition I received education from. This will be a living exemple of how buddha nature works in practical terms. It cuts through delusional forms and dwells on the essence. No separation. Mayka
--- On Thu, 24/3/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: Add Nothing Extra To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 24 March, 2011, 2:24 Hi ED， If I may "bud" in here, these are basic, important yet "difficult" questions that you are asking. By "difficult", I mean not for the brain to understand, but for the heart to experience. Following are some of my witness. By no means they have any value nor are they absolute. Just for your reference. Buddha nature is just a set of characteristics of the universe, also embedded in every cell of ours. You could call it the Laws of Nature. As our thinking dwindles, our embedded-intuitive way of living in every cell unfolds. We thus live a lot closer to the same nature as the universe. We then witness that our life becomes smoother with less up and down. That's all in the human domain. On the physiological side, we can physically feel that our body is gradually integrated. Get healthier and healthier. Then we discovered that we can actually heal others as well as feel their physical discomfort. On the mental size, we gradually will experience more inspiration with less planning. Solutions came to us without efforts. Not only we are able to solve our own problems efficiently, we are also able to help others wisely. Often do it without any expectation or motivation. Just naturally so. Gradually, our ego drops away. We become one with others in the energy domain. My master told me that my final experience will be with lights and electricity, which I have not completely experience yet. These were laid out by my Teacher and witness gradually in my 10 long years. It was never boring though. Yet, the answer to your question, "authentic Zen Master". There are not that many. We each were driven to meet the matching one according to our karma. To embark on this journey is simple -- stick to one Master and do it. Do it soon. It takes time to shed our thinking. Bon Voyage. :-) Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 3/23/2011 4:19 PM, ED wrote: Mike and Mayka, Have your claims to realization of Buddha Nature been accredited by authentic Zen Masters? --ED --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@...> wrote: > Mike, My question is simple and impersonal: What is the benefit to himself/herself or others of a person arriving at such a state? --ED --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:> ED, Haha, "So what?", indeed! I guess being on a Zen chat forum might have something to do with talking about it tho : ) I respect that some people are more 'Stevie Nicks' about keeping their crystal visions to themselves, but for me, if someone asks I'll try to give as honest an answer as I can. If I'm doing a hatchet job of answering those questions then, I can only hope that people respect that I'm doing the best with the tools that I have. Mike Mike and Mayka, Whatever the experience you have that you refer to as your realization of, or experiencing of, or awakening to Buddha Nature, Buddha Mind, wisdom-insight or kensho-satori, so what? --ED ED, I may be wrong here, but you still seem to think of 'Buddha Nature' in terms of something that has qualities 'out there' that can be experienced and known if we just follow certain steps (whether zazen, reason or science etc) 'Buddha Nature (or whatever) is not something that is attained, gained or even experienced (but 'experienced' is ok if we understand there is no 'I' for an experience to happen to). In fact, it's more about dropping/losing than adding/finding. 'Kensho'/'satori' are just rough pointers, 'tools' if you like, that symbolise a 'state' where our sense of 'I' has been dropped and duality has been transcended (Dogen's 'dropping of body and mind' is the best description IMO). This 'state' is impossible to be conveyed by words/logic although it can be hinted at. How this is done depends on the idiosyncronies/personality of the person expressing it and so will always be different from person to person. Thus Mayka's method of conveying what she has 'experienced' will be different to Bill's. How this 'experience' has been further cultivated and intergrated into one's daily living will also have a bearing on how it is expressed. The feeling I get on this forum is that some people have being practicing Zen for some time, doing all the 'right' things, going to sesshins, reading lots of material etc. but have yet to 'experience' that 'experience' that turns the conceptual world upside down and so feel (maybe subconsciously) they have to knock (or hint at) other people's insights as just woo-woo or delusional. Just saying. Mike ED; Budha nature is beyond any form and therefore the buddha nature Bill talks about is the same I'm referring to. The form of the words are only like a finger pointing to the moon. Knowing how to enter into the buddha nature doesn't mean in anyway that one is at all time into the wave of buddha nature. This requires years of training. At times live in a monastery. Attending retreats to have a good boost... Living in the present moment in body and mind is not an easy task at all times. But it doesn't mean in anyway being unable to have taste what is buddha nature about. It's enough to practice mindfulness and buddha nature can started to gradually unfold by itself. This is an endless experience of awakening. It's not an static experience. When buddha nature is absented in me is because I allow myself be drag down back by forgetfulness, habit energies, ego....and so goes for everybody else. Mayka
