Mike,

All that killing reveals to me where practicing the religions of the 'Big 3' 
leads - in spite of what their holy books or holy men say.

...Bill!

--- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
>
> Bill!,
> 
> >Mike, That's a good point. I think what people do with it IS the only true 
> >reflection of what it 'is'...
> 
> But how does that sit with monotheisism's Big 3 and the killing that is done 
> in 
> the name of God and scripture?
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Bill! <BillSmart@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tue, 29 March, 2011 18:15:30
> Subject: [Zen] Re: Is Zen a religion?
> 
>   
> Mike, That's a good point. I think what people do with it IS the only true 
> reflection of what it 'is'...Bill!
> 
> --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote:
> >
> > Bill!,
> > 
> > Ah, I see your point now - especially regarding Buddhism in SE Asia. I 
> > guess 
> > there are two factors here: It's problematic to talk about 'Buddhism' as 
> > one 
> >all 
> >
> > encompassing ~ism. And what makes something a religion - Is it something 
> > inherent or what people do with it? Or both?
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: Bill! <BillSmart@>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Mon, 28 March, 2011 18:48:15
> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Is Zen a religion?
> > 
> >   
> > Mike,
> > 
> > I could accept your statement about Buddhism below if the ratio of people 
> > clinging to sutras, precepts, dogmas, etc... to those who do not were in 
> > the 
> > neighborhood of 50:50 or even 75:25; but I see that ratio as more like 99:1.
> > 
> > I live in Thailand where 90% of the people consider themselves Buddhist. I 
> >don't 
> >
> > know anyone here (Thai) that practices Buddhism who does not consider 
> > Buddhism 
> 
> > as religion.
> > 
> > ...Bill! 
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill!,
> > > 
> > > Read your post just after sending my last one. I sit someone where in the 
> > > middle. (Zen) Buddhism is a philosophy with a systematic, practical 
> > > application regarding how to live in the world. One 
> > > without the other 
> >leaves 
> >
> > >us 
> > >
> > > swimming in world of delusion and suffering. You're right tho, many 
> > > people 
> >(not 
> >
> > >
> > > all) cling to the outward form (sutras, chanting, even 
> > > zazen) giving Zen 
> >the 
> >
> > > outward appearance of a religion.
> > > 
> > > Mike  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@>
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Sent: Mon, 28 March, 2011 18:25:23
> > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Is Zen a religion?
> > > 
> > >   
> > > Steve,
> > > 
> > > From what I've seen it's mainly in Western intellectual circles that 
> > > Buddhism 
> >
> > > and/or Zen is regarded primarily as a philosophy. As far as I can tell 
> > > that 
> > > allows Western intellectuals to embrace parts of Buddhism and Zen without 
> > > the 
> >
> > > danger of being labled as religious, at which most intellectuals look 
> > > down 
> > >their 
> > >
> > > noses.
> > > 
> > > Buddhism can be regarded as a card game or a game show anything else. The 
> >fact 
> >
> > 
> > > of the matter (in my opinion) is the majority of people in the US and the 
> >World 
> >
> > >
> > > regard it as I have indicated below.
> > > 
> > > ...Bill!
> > > 
> > > --- In [email protected], "SteveW" <eugnostos2000@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > JMJM,
> > > > > 
> > > > > In my opinion:
> > > > > 
> > > > > US PERCEPTIONS
> > > > > - Buddhism is considered a religion - albeit a quirky one.
> > > > > - Zen Buddhism is considered a sect of Buddhism.
> > > > > 
> > > > > WORLD PERCEPTION
> > > > > - Buddhism is considered a religion.
> > > > > - Zen Buddhism is considered a sect of Buddhism - albeit a quiky one.
> > > > > 
> > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi Bill! Oh, Buddhism itself can be properly regarded as a philosophy 
> > >rather 
> > >
> > > >than a religion. There is an interesting book by Stephen Batchelor 
> > > >entitled 
> 
> > > >Buddhism Without Beliefs. Mr. Batchelor received Dharma transmission, if 
> > > >I 
> >am 
> >
> > 
> > > >not mistaken, in the Korean form of Zen.
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > >
> >
>




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