Mayka, You don't know how happy I am to hear you say that!
Mike ________________________________ From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 2 April, 2011 20:34:06 Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse Hi Mike: All doubts cease when the source within and around ourselves is found. And that source is the heart. I couldn't be more in agreement with these Maharajs!. JMJM will be happy to hear this. Mayka --- On Sat, 2/4/11, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: >From: mike brown <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse >To: [email protected] >Date: Saturday, 2 April, 2011, 12:06 > > > >Mayka, > >>I was told that because Buddhism was alive,... > >Buddhism is reading these words, intuitively agreeing or disagreeing, and >responding appropriately. To dither (wobble), philosophise or act on a >preconceived idea kills it just as it is unfolds. Aghh, too late. Now we're >partners in crime. > >Mike > > > ________________________________ From: Maria Lopez <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sat, 2 April, 2011 19:43:24 >Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse > > >Bill: > >I was told that because Buddhism was alive, a living philosophy and way to >live >it could never be something static. But something continuously changing and >adapting to whatever cultural country reality and necessities. In Eastern >Countries Buddhism seem to be more like an ecclesiastic order similar to any >other religion in the world. It's quite tricky here in the West because there >is such a Tutti-Frutti that still some adepts have adopted it as a religion >and >some only take from it what is useful. From the westerners ones who have >taken >Buddhism literally as a religion...buff...what a headache!. > > >Mayka > >--- On Sat, 2/4/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>From: Bill! <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse >>To: [email protected] >>Date: Saturday, 2 April, 2011, 2:35 >> >> >> >>Mayka, >> >>My point is that in the countries that are the birthplace and nursery of >>Buddhism, it is considered a religion; and in those countries for the most >>part >>Zen Buddhism is considered a cult. >> >>It is in the Western world where Buddhism has only recently been adopted that >>you will find a significant number of people regarding it as a philosophy or >>a >>'way of life'. This is because (IMNSHO) Westerners have adapted it to their >>way >>of thinking, and only took the parts they felt comfortable with. >> >>...Bill! >> >>--- In [email protected], Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> wrote: >>> >>> Bill; >>>  >>> Yes in many Eastern Countries Buddhism is regarded as a religion. Still >>> there >>>are Buddhist traditions with the description given by Steve. >>>  >>> Mayka >>> >>> --- On Thu, 31/3/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> >>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Why bother with Zazen? Better Orgyhouse >>> To: [email protected] >>> Date: Thursday, 31 March, 2011, 2:42 >>> >>> >>>  >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve, >>> >>> I agree with your reply to my post below. >>> >>> I will also extend it to say that most (or at least a large number of) >>>Buddhists do not consider Zen Buddhism as a ligitimate expression of >>>Buddhism >>>and consider it cult. I say this after talking with numerous Buddhists >>>(including Buddhist clergy) in Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Laos, and >>>Vietnam. >>> >>> ...Bill! >>> >>> --- In [email protected], "SteveW" <eugnostos2000@> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Steve, >>> > > >>> > > I fundamentally disagree. >>> > > >>> > > Buddhism, as well as Judiasm/Christianity/Islam, and all other >>> > > religions I >>>know about are based on the essense of zen. They are all, including >>>Buddhism, >>>just layers that have been built up around zen and serve to occlude the >>>essense >>>of zen to varying extents. I will say that Buddhism has the least occluding >>>layers of the religions I have read about, but it still has a lot. >>> > > >>> > > ...Bill! >>> > > >>> > Hi Bill! In my opinion, there are two aspects to the human phenomenon of >>>religion. One aspect is the evolved religios which binds society together in >>>a >>>shared identity. This is just an evolved trait that is useful from the >>>view-point of group selection. The other aspect is the awakened insight into >>>Suchness. But some religions as they exist now are more effective vehicles >>>for >>>encouraging awakened insight into Suchness than others. Within each of the >>>Big >>>Three Abrahamic traditions, there have arisen minority mystical movements >>>that >>>are a spontaneous expression of Enlightened Mind, but they have always been >>>regarded as heretical. Even the most literal-minded Pureland Buddhist >>>realizes >>>that the ultimate goal is awakening. They just want to go to Buddhist Heaven >>>where they imagine that awakening will be easier. But they still understand >>>that >>>ultimately it is more than just going to Heaven. And so, as you yourself >>>note, >>>Buddhism has the least occluding >>> layers. The average Christian would not regard Meister Eckhart as being a >>> real >>>Christian. >>> > Steve >>> > >>> >> >>
