Bill, Yours is also logical thinking. Anthony --- On Sun, 4/9/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Bill! <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] Supreme Vehicle To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, 4 September, 2011, 6:14 PM Siska, You have good feelings. It is not right. You don't separate yourself from others, you dissolve the illusion that your self and others are separate. Then it doesn't matter if you enlighten yourself first or others first, since it's all One. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], siska_cen@... wrote: > > Hi JM, All, > > Is this a zen premise ~ separating oneself from others and then work on > enlightening the 'self' and others? > > Or is it another conventional speaking limitation? > > It does not 'feel' right to me. > > Siska > -----Original Message----- > From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 > <chan.jmjm@...> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 10:08:50 > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: [Zen] Supreme Vehicle > > Good morning Sensei, > > Thank you so much for taking the time to respond. I am just a > practitioner of Chan and not a master. A master in our school means > someone who is enlightened and has received "Buddha Heart Imprint", > while I have neither. Since Zen does recognize the Mahayana practice, > then please let me share some of the discussions we had recently in our > school.... > > As we know, Hinayana is often called the Small Vehicle and Mahayana is > the Great Vehicle. And in China, the Chan is called the Supreme > Vehicle. It means that Chan could free everyone. > > It is true, when others are enlightened, we are enlightened. The danger > of this realization is the rationalization that we only need to work on > ourselves. If so, then we are only practicing Hinayana. We did not > "do" the circular track of Chan. > > The Mahayana practice is a practice, only when we leave our lotus and > step into the mud, could we than detach ourselves from the limitation of > our practice and our dharma. In other words, as we focus on the > difficulty in freeing others, could we then realize how limited we are > in wisdom and energy in resolving their karmic hindrance. Only then we > could be motivated to continuously surpassing our habitual practice, > form and formless. In turn to realize that "Dharma is not dharma. No > dharma is dharma." > > Then we would know dharma is in every encounter. It is up to us to be > one with it. Only then we are liberated from the rationalization of our > mind and awaken to the fact that the One of Chan is the ALL. This > realization occurs when we journey midway into the freeing of each one, > as a Supreme Vehicle. > > Too often we quit by rationalizing to ourselves that this practice is > not for everyone. Or the time is not right, or whatever excuses we > place upon our practice. If so, we have trapped ourselves into > believing that our current practice is the only path. The practice of > Supreme Vehicle is every practice in each moment, in each encounter, > without self, without other, without dharma, without form, without > notion, etc. > > To free all beings is not to impose "our" practice upon them, but rather > let them awaken from within. The only way we could accomplish that is > to speak in their language in their mindset and help them to resolve > whatever there needs to be resolve in resources, mindset or life force. > In other words, we needed to be them and undertake their karma. Thus the > mud is the lotus and lotus is the mud and they both grow in tandem. > > To phrase it in beautiful labels, Mahayana is the journey for > Bodhisattva, Supreme Vehicle is the journey for Buddha, who is the one > and all and us and everyone. > > Thank you all for your attention, > JMJM > Head Teacher > Order Of Chan > > Learn the Basics of Chan Meditation... > http://www.chan-meditation.org > Chan in everyday life... > http://www.chanliving.org > To be enlightened in this life... > http://www.heartchan.org > To save our world... > http://www.universal-oneness.org > > > > On 9/1/2011 9:49 PM, Harvey Daiho Hilbert wrote: > > With palms together, > > Good Evening Everyone, > > On the Zen Living list, Ch’an Master Jue Miao Jing Ming , asked me a > > question the other day. “Dear Sensei, Do you consider Zen a Mahayana > > practice? If so, what does Mahayana actually do?” > > While Zen is within the Mahayana tradition, it is not a Mahayana > > practice as I understand it.Student Rev. Shoji and I were discussing > > this question today and Rev. Shoji brought up an interesting > > distinction.He argued that Mahayana Buddhists aim at the Bodhisattva > > ideal to free all beings before they, themselves, enter nirvana.He > > points out that from a Zen point of view, self and other are one, > > therefore there is no one, but oneself, to free. > > Zen Master Seung Sahn argues in his Compass, that both Theravadan and > > Mahayane traditions have “roads,” but that Zen has not only no road, > > but no map, as well.The practice is practice realization as one.Path > > and destination are not two. > > These beg the question, however, “What does Mahayana actually do?” > > Mahayana does nothing.Mahayana is just a word.And we can see from the > > question that such things as words and concepts can create a > > hindrance.We could ask a better question, “What is Mahayana /practice > > /and what does it do?” The aim of the practice is to free beings, but how? > > Again, Master Sahn offers the Six Paramitas as “practice guides.”They > > are rather like the manifest value in the nexus between idea and > > behavior, rather like the term “Quality” as used in Pirsig’s “Zen and > > the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.” A Mahayana practitioner practices > > to make manifest the six aspects of our true nature in the hope that > > to do so will free suffering beings. > > A Zen practitioner, however realizes practice and life are one, that > > everything is already free, perfect as it is, but that we jail > > ourselves with our thoughts.A Zen practitioner notices and ceases all > > grasping: no attachment to ideas, desires, things, feelings, etc. > > A Zen practitioner is free and easy in the everyday world.His mind is > > free and his heart limitless.He recognizes all beings are likewise > > like this. > > Be well. > > /Rev. //Daiho Hilbert, //abbot/ > > /OCMZ / > > >
