Billl: If someone from the all over the world students studying in England hear you about this "friendly people" may give you a good slap in the face to help see reality in England. American people are very helpful and friendly, that is a true statement. But, THE ENGLISH LIVING IN ENGLAND?. I don't think so!!. A high percentage of English people met, they tended to be very friendly only when they're not in their own land or also when they want something from you. . Mayka
--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Bill! <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bill! <[email protected]> Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 9 September, 2011, 3:13 As a native English-speaker that speaks a few other languages (badly) I can tell you I believe English-speakers are VERY flexible when listening to others speak English or any other language. I think that is because we are used to hearing many different kinds of English: British (which itself has many dialects), USA (which has many dialects), Australians, New Zealanders and South Africans; and English spoken non-native English-speakers such as the Irish, Scots, Welsh and India; and the rest of the world that have learned English to some extent or the other. I live in Thailand and speak Thai - somewhat. Some Thai's can understand my Thai fairly well, and some can't understand a word I say. Of course Thai is a tonal language where one syllable can have 5 different tones which changes the meaning, but some Thai's are more rigid about this than others, and I don't mean rigid in that they don't like the way I speak, but rigid in that they just can't understand what I'm saying unless I'm using EXACTLY the right tonation. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], siska_cen@... wrote: > > Hi Mayka, > > > I didn't say you have a problem of mis-interpretation. > > I wasn't saying that you did either ;-) > > I was sharing my feeling that english speaking people are generally better in > understanding 'broken' english than myself, who find it a little hard to > understand 'broken' indonesian. > > Siska > -----Original Message----- > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 14:57:12 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > Siska: > I didn't say you have a problem of mis-interpretation. I said that as > people who first language is not English we may make use of expressions or > even funny grammar...(at the very least, I do at times) and as a result there > is a misinterpretation etc. However, there are also misinterpretations or > misunderstandings at times in one owns language communicated through > internet, anyway. > Mayka > > --- On Thu, 8/9/11, siska_cen@... <siska_cen@...> wrote: > > > From: siska_cen@... <siska_cen@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > To: [email protected] > Date: Thursday, 8 September, 2011, 12:06 > > >  > > > > Hello Mayka, > > I don't really have mis-interpretation problem. I find that english speaking > people I've met have very good sense in guessing whatever we meant with our > limited english. Unlike myself. > > Where I used to work, there were expatriates. When they speak our language, > broken, I found it really hard to guess correctly what they were trying to > say. > > Siska > > > From: Maria Lopez <flordeloto@...> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 08:19:53 +0100 (BST) > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > >  > > > > > > > Hi Siska! > I was unaware of English not been your first language. We're in the same > boat here. It also happens to me to express things that native English > speakers interpretation differs from what I meant to communicate. > Mayka > > --- On Wed, 7/9/11, siska_cen@... <siska_cen@...> wrote: > > > From: siska_cen@... <siska_cen@...> > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, 7 September, 2011, 12:14 > > >  > > Bill, > > English being my second language, sometimes I'm not aware of connotation > implied in the words. It reminds me of once when I said, "I believe we all > get what we deserve". To me, it simply means we reap what we sow, be it good > or bad. But I was corrected because 'deserve' implies punishment, of which I > wasn't aware. > > This is a good reminder. Thank you. > > Siska > > > From: "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 08:16:51 -0000 > To: <[email protected]> > ReplyTo: [email protected] > Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > >  > > Anthony, Mike and Siska, > > Well you all used or continued to repeat the word 'condemn' which implies > it's a bad thing. You didn't say your were 'rewarded' with the life of a > fox... > > But I of all people know how tricky the English language can be when talking > about these types of things, so I'll take your word for it. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > Bill, I never said it is a bad (or good) thing. I don't think Mike did > > either ;-) > > > > Siska > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Bill!" <BillSmart@> > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 04:22:41 > > To: <[email protected]> > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > ...and what's so bad about living as a fox for 500 years? > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > Ah, got your point. > > > > > > > there is no self, yet.. > > > There is no self, no yet ;-) > > > > > > Siska > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@> > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 07:28:05 > > > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > Hi Siska, > > >  > > > Oh, I see. I thought you were asking if saying, "There is and isn't a > > > diifference" condemns you to 500 years as a fox. Really, it's just a > > > question of neither being absolute nor subjective. For example, there is > > > no self, yet... > > >  > > > Mike > > > > > > From: "siska_cen@" <siska_cen@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011, 11:28 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > > > >  > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > Don't really get it, if what were true? > > > > > > Siska > > > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@> > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 03:17:07 +0100 (BST) > > > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > >  > > > Hi Siska, > > >  > > > If that were true, then what wouldn't condemn you to 500 years as a fox? > > >  > > > Mike > > > > > > From: "siska_cen@" <siska_cen@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011, 18:48 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > > > > > > > >  > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > In other words, there is and there isn't a difference. > > > > > > I like this. > > > > > > Would statements implying there is or isn't a difference condemn you to > > > 500 years as a fox too? :-) > > > > > > Siska > > > From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@> > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 11:17:44 +0100 (BST) > > > To: [email protected]<[email protected]> > > > ReplyTo: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Fwd: Re: [Zen Living] Supreme Vehicle > > >  > > > > > > > > > >In truth, Two and One are in support of one another. > > > > > > >>Here it seems that Rev Harvey makes distinction between Two and One. > > > >>Are they really different at all? > > > > > > Siska, > > > > > > Just as Bill! is condemed to live 500 years as a fox for saying > > > that an enlightened person isn't subject to karma (just as he > > > would be if he said that an enlightened person is > > > subject to karma), so with this question. There is no yes or no. > > > In other words, there is and there isn't a difference. > > > > > > Mike  > > > > > >
