I knew Ginsberg back in the 60's and wasn't too impressed with his Zen which was mixed in with a lot of other stuff and not very pure. But hey so was mine at the time! :-)
Edgar On Apr 4, 2012, at 2:00 PM, salik888 wrote: > Greetings > > This comes from Alan Watts's Houseboat Meetings, with Gary Snyder, Alan > Ginsberg, and Timothy Leary. > > Interesting in reference to the Sufism not mentioned by mentioned of Idries > Shah at the time. If one revisits the work of Shah and Alan Watts, their are > parallels -- both are opening a discussion about the decay of Tradition and > the lost access of the esoteric . . . and in many ways, from a sociological > view . . . are addressing a first things first, a familiarization of the > individual with the real education of being and doing. > > I think both of them would agree that there is nothing wrong with going on > and on and on about God, a sort of Lord Lord Lord thing, as if something off > in the future was going to take place, when in essence there is nothing else > than the here and now, but often deluged by past recriminations and learned > behavior and incessant worry about the future . . . > > Watts and Snyder appear to me to be addressing the essential human element we > all share, and in my humble opinion Sufism and various Esoteric strains seek > to address . . . unification of mind, body and spirit instead of learning by > rote. > > In short we need to learn to perhaps grown something, I think Rumi and Saadi > would agree? > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > CEREBRAL "FREAK OUTS" > Snyder: No, they can't do what they've done through history. What is very > important here is, besides taking acid, is that people learn the techniques > which have been forgotten. That they learn new structures, and new > techniques. Like, you just can't go out and grow vegetables, man. You've got > to learn HOW to do it. Like we've gotta learn to do a lot of things we've > forgotten to do. > > Leary: I agree. > > Watts: That is very true, Gary. Our educational system, in its entirety, does > nothing to give us any kind of material competence. In other words, we don't > learn how to cook, how to make clothes, how to build houses, how to make > love, or to do any of the absolutely fundamental things of life. The whole > education that we get for our children in school is entirely in terms of > abstractions. It trains you to be an insurance salesman or a bureaucrat, or > some kind of cerebral character. > > Leary: Yes...it's exactly there that, I think, a clear-cut statement is > needed. The American educational system is a narcotic, addictive process... > > _________________________________ > > Best wishes > > Kirk > > > > > TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo! > Pro baseball team's humiliating loss > It was just a charity game, but the Baltimore Orioles may need some time to > forget this one. > Privacy Policy
