Merle, So what would you suggest? We complain, and then stage violent protests including self-immolation, then take up arms against the 'oppressor'?
"Come all ye young rebels, and list while I sing, For the love of one's country is a terrible thing. It banishes fear with the speed of a flame, And it makes us all part of the patriot game." - Dominic Behan ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  just because the social system of tibet is backward does not give the > chinese the right to set in...the tibetian people can do the reforming..china > is about invasion and expansion...i do not believe they are concerned about > helping reform... that is secondary and the han people will breed and take > over what was once a unique culture... yes it is an old story...the invasion > and the rule by force of those who are in their own country and too weak to > fight back...but that does not make it right and just..and do we throw our > hands up in the air and gaze into space thinking "oh well,..such is life".... > ????? merle >  > Israel is the result of invasion by Jewish people into the land of Arabs. Is > it justified? Should the Kurds get an independent country? Furthermore, how > about Australian aborigines and American Indians? Based on language and > ethnicity, Indonesia should be broken up into a hundred countries. We had > better let politics run their courses. > > Discussion makes little sense here, unless we find real atrocities committed. > You can say the horrible crimes of the Tibetan theocracy is Chinese > propaganda, because you don't see them. I don't see them either, however, the > social system ruled by previous Dalais were rather backward, which is almost > certain. It is more wholesome to discuss whether the Tibetan Tantra is part > of Buddhism. >  > While I keep an open mind, I have found the following facts conspicuous: >  > - The Tibetan sex yoga, against Sakymuni's teaching that sex is a drag on > advancement toward enlighenment. That is not saying it should be banned for > lay people. >  > - The reincarnation practice that leads to Dalais, Panchens, Karmapas etc > to be discovered as the reincarnates of their predecessors, to be worshipped > like gods. Some go to the length of drinking their urine and bathwater (not > for the Dalai's test). >  > - Visualization and worship of all kinds of horrifying deities, in contrast > to the original Buddhism, which recognizes the their existence, but claims > they have their limitations. >  > etc. >  > Anthony > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 19:14 > Subject: [Zen] invasion > > >  > > >  mike i am with you 100%....merle >  > Wow, haven't been on the net for a few days and too many posts to catch up > on, so I've skim read thru them. My apologies if I don't immediately respond > to posts specifically addressed to me. I'd like to address this post tho. > > > Bill!. I notice you've always had this almost pathological hatred of the > Dalai lama and I've never understood why. Your view of him is completely at > odds with mine, and considering we usually hold similar views, I'm baffled as > to why. I see a man who says there shouldn't be hatred directed at the > colonising Chinese, that he's not calling for an independent Tibet, but that > it should have some autonomy, and who exudes Happiness even tho he's seen his > land, people and culture decimated by outside political forces (remembering > too that the west did nothing about the invasion of Tibet for decades). > What's not to like about the man? > > Also, I think there's a big difference regarding views on nationalism if > you're from a powerful state compared to one which is politically and/or > culturally threatened by a more powerful neighbour. Should we in Wales just > "accept" that our language and traditions our being eroded by English > dominance? Should Native Americans and Australians just "accept" their > position brought about by colonising powers? > > > Personally, I think a lot of the criticism directed to the Dalai Lama comes > from western cynicism and is not a true reflection of the man himself. > > Mike > > Ps I lived in Yangzhou (between Shanghai and Nanjing) for several months > teaching English. I liked China and the Chinese, but I don't understand how > you could say that Tibet is China. It's like saying the Aborigines in Western > Australia (who didn't see a white man for another 50 years) automatically > became British subjects in the act of planting a Union Flag on the Sydney > foreshore. > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012, 10:41 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > >  > > >  I disagree...merle > > >  > Merle, > > If you've been to China you've been to Tibet. Tibet is part of China...Bill! > > --- In mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > àanthony ... i am estonian...i know the ropes > > àthe tibetans want to rule their own section... so what...?.... why > > cannot they?...there are many minorities in china... > > àbeen to china anthony?à> > been to tibet? > > merle > > à> > Merle, > > à> > No way China will give up the strategically important Tibet. Estonians are > > a completely different race than Russians. But Tibetans are from the same > > language family as the Han Chinese. What they do is only simplify the > > pronunciation fromà'rdzogt tschen' to 'dzog chen'. > > > à> > Anthony > > > > From: Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> > > To: "mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com"; > > <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 15:23 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > à> > > > > > àhave you been to china bill!..i have been 3 times...the han chinese are > > the majority > > > > .. why are you attacking the Dalai lama?///// i know about tibet and the > > oppressive feudal regime...however i think you'd have to actually go to > > tibet to witness what is going on...the han chinese are flooding tibet...is > > that good?...estonia my home country was > invaded by the russians in world war 2 and thanks to the allies the russians > were "given " the baltic states...so estonia was governed by the kremlin and > the russians flooded into estonia... since independence it is madatory that > one can speak estonian in order to claim estonian citizenship( the russians > would not learn the language..and the official language when the russians > were in power was russian...it's not fun bill!..being overlorded by another > country...so i say if the tibet wish to run their own country...then they > should do so and change to modernise through that not have it imposed upon > them by the han chinese... merle > > > > > > à> > Bill!, > > à> > Your remarks and quotes will make the great zombie lying in Tiananmen > > Square happy. But he would say, 'not enough, what I did dwarfs them'. > > à> > Anthony > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012, 10:00 > > Subject: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > > > WOMAN LIKE CATTLE (and a lot of other information) > > > > "Tibetan Buddhism has a legacy of violence, hypocrisy, sexism, > > institutional sexual abuse, homophobia and religious rule by a dictator > > said to be a living god (the Dalai Lama) - all so the idle monk lifestyle > > could be supported by a feudal system of peasants who gave over half their > > labor/possessions. Although Chinese rule has been oppressive for the ruling > > Lamaist class and its defenders, is there ANY evidence to suggest that > > going back to rule of a feudal God-King would be better than the current > > system? Has ANY dictator ever ruled to the benefit of "his" people?" > > Source > -àhttp://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/12/277073.shtmlà> > > > I hope these will suffice as 'evidence' of my opinions. àThere are lots > > and lots of other sites and you can find them yourself by Binging > > oràGoggling. > > > > ...Bill! > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
