mike knows what he is talking about KG and edgar..he has experience ..for god
sake..listen to him children!
mike you are moving into the position of having your finger on the pulse
merle
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From: Kristopher Grey <k...@kgrey.com>
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 15:58
Compassion to me is when love meets suffering. Clearly an unrepentant killer
(as opposed to someone who has killed) fails the definition.
The kind of peace a killer might find isn't the kind of peace I'm talking about
either, which is the peace born from being free from the 5 Hindrances. This
isn't an assumpmtion/projection, but is born from experience (I'm ex-infantry
and have seen murder committed not 10 feet away from me). Even thoughts of
violence shatter this peace.
Mike
To say a killer will never know peace? Part presumption, part projection.
Emanating from a kind heart perhaps, but compassion doesn't bother with/isn't
bothered by this.
KG
On 10/10/2012 6:57 AM, mike brown wrote:
>Edgar,
>
>
>We're all going to die - it's how we live our life up to that point (there is
>no 'after' death, or indeed any such thing as 'death' to feel bad about being
>killed anyway). Yes, I'd rather be killed than be the killer. A killer will
>never know peace.
>
>
>>Get real!
>
>
>Keeping it real.
>
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>Mike
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>________________________________
> From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>
>To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 11:45
>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
>
>
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>Mike,
>
>
>Total crap!
>
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>OK, let's put it to the test. I'll send someone over to kill you and then I'll
>feel bad about it.
>
>
>Will you opt out because of your life or me feeling bad about it?
>
>
>Get real!
>
>
>Edgar
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>On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:34 AM, mike brown wrote:
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>>Edgar,
>>
>>>It matters to the animals which
is much more important .....
>>
>>I'm not so sure. I think it could be
said that a person who causes death,
or injury, to another actually
suffers more than the person/animal
harmed. But then again, I'm an old
school First Noble Truth kinda guy.
>>
>>Mike
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>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>
>>To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
>>Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2012, 0:59
>>Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: I need some practice advice
>>
>>
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>>KG,
>>
>>
>>How egocentric!
>>
>>
>>It matters to the animals which is much more important .....
>>
>>
>>Edgar
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>>On Oct 9, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>FWIW - 'I' am my "indoor pet" and, yes I am surgically sterilized.
>>>
>>>What people do
wth animals is
of less
concern than
the shit they
tell
themselves to
justify it.
Until that's
sorted out,
the rest is an
ego fest.
>>>
>>>KG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 10/9/2012
11:40 AM, Joe
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Edgar,
>>>>
>>>>My indoor pets
are neutered.
Aren't yours?
>>>>
>>>>You may be an
animal-breeder,
then; a
lucrative
vocation/avocation.
>>>>
>>>>--Joe
>>>>
>>>>PS You must be
a vegetarian
then if you
are not a
cannibal, or
Zombie.
>>>>
>>>>PPS May I
visit you in
the stir for
stepping on
that ant?
>>>>
>>>>> Edgar
Owen <edgarowen@...>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe and
Merle,
>>>>>
>>>>> Any valid
ethical
principle must
apply equally
well to both
humans and
other
species....
>>>>
>>>>
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