I read that three times and laughed --Chris Sent from a sunny patio On Oct 26, 2012 2:11 PM, "mike brown" <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Chris, > > I just can't believe someone would doubt the Pearls of Wisdom Emanating > from my Fully Enlightened Being, so I have to reply that way. Hongyeongsoo > is lucky I merely replied by email - it would be much worse for him if I > had his real name and address... > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chris Austin-Lane <ch...@austin-lane.net> > *To:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Friday, 26 October 2012, 2:02 > *Subject:* Re: [Zen] original zen > > > The idea of a loop of "why do you imagine me thusly?" "it is you that > imagine, if you do not cease" captures my fancy. no doubt one or the other > would wake up and the pattern would fall aside, ceasing > On Oct 25, 2012 5:25 PM, "mike brown" <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > Lol! It wasn't just me that had a profound experience of deja vu then. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chris Austin-Lane <ch...@austin-lane.net> > *To:* Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Friday, 26 October 2012, 1:09 > *Subject:* Re: [Zen] original zen > > > Please can you reply to a post from KG? Pretty please? > --Chris Ausin-Lane > sent from a train > 1-301-270-6524 > On Oct 25, 2012 4:47 PM, <yonyon...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > There's no need to speculate whether we are always aware, or not. We > just > > > are. Of course, some are not aware that we are always aware. Funny you > > > should put me in that camp, but there you are... > > > > yes, a need to or not does not interfere with your speculation. ;-) > > > > "We just are" Can you feel it in your zen bones? > > > > it makes no difference to me, but when you use expressions like "going > > beyond" there must be a lacking, a goal, call it what you like. > > > > hongyeongsoo > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: "yonyon...@gmail.com" <yonyon...@gmail.com> > > > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012, 23:53 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen > > > > > > > > > > > >>>does a door-post lack anything? > > >> > > >> Well, you've just answered your own question by asking me and not the > > >> door-post. > > > > > > i ask you because you seem to think so or not so. > > > > > >> > > >> > > >>>more than enough awakened persons have stated, "Awakening chooses > > >> you"; not the other way around. > > >> > > >> > > >> That's only one side of the dualistic coin (tariki = outside help; > other > > >> power). The other side is of the coin is Jiriki (Awakening brought > about > > >> by > > >> one's own self power/effort). They're not mutually exclusive, btw. > > > > > > tariki/jiriki...huh? outside of scriptures and/or japanese language. > > > show me please... > > > also, "outside(tariki)/inside(jiriki)"? of what? WHO? > > > > > >> > > >>> No conditions. > > >> > > >> You could say that Buddha Nature is the Unconditioned, but what > prevents > > >> a > > >> person in a coma from becoming Awakened in this very moment? > > > > > > i don't know > > > > > >> > > >>>"beyond intellect into intuition and awareness"? have you been there? > > >> > > >> Who hasn't been there? Who isn't there now? Even when you're in the > > >> middle > > >> of a grievous argument your awareness of being doesn't disappear. > > > > > > reminds me of Zuigan's morning question, "Master, Master, are you > > > awake? are you Super Awake?" okay, so no problems? what are you > > > aspiring towards? > > > > > >> > > >> > > >>>or are you just speculating? > > >> > > >> What do you think? > > > > > > yes. > > > > > > hongyeongsoo > > > > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: "yonyon...@gmail.com" <yonyon...@gmail.com> > > >> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > > >> Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2012, 19:34 > > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> does a door-post lack anything? > > >> > > >> more than enough awakened persons have stated, "Awakening chooses > > >> you"; not the other way around. No conditions. > > >> > > >> "beyond intellect into intuition and awareness"? have you been there? > > >> or are you just speculating? > > >> > > >> hongyeongsoo > > >> > > >> "zazen is good for nothing" > > >> > > >> On 10/24/12, mike brown <uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > >>> In Edgar's defence, try telling a door-post, or a one day old baby, > or a > > >>> person in a coma - "Just This" - and see if they Awaken. So the > > >>> intellect > > >>> is > > >>> needed to both live and set the conditions for awakening, but > toreally > > >>> live > > >>> we have to go beyond the intellect into intuition and awareness. 2 > plus > > >>> 2 > > >>> = > > >>> 4. But what does 4 equal? > > >>> > > >>> Mike > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ________________________________ > > >>> From: Joe <desert_woodwor...@yahoo.com> > > >>> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012, 23:26 > > >>> Subject: Re: [Zen] original zen > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Group, & Edgar, > > >>> > > >>> I did my level best to draw Edgar out, but to Noah Veil. > > >>> > > >>> I inscribe my Gatha in sorrow, with regret and apology to all. > > >>> > > >>> To Edgar: > > >>> -- ----- > > >>> Stubbornness does not Compassion show; > > >>> Nor Self-Protectiveness quicken the Slow. > > >>> One-up-man-ship > > >>> Did never steal THIS show. > > >>> > > >>> Generosity and consideration > > >>> Are a far more wholesome ration. > > >>> But Clarity, Honesty, and help, > > >>> Come not from a whelp. > > >>> > > >>> To raise a point and then depart > > >>> Is the misplaced throwing of a dart. > > >>> To live to lie another day, > > >>> is the cellulose Philosophy of a bale of Hay. > > >>> > > >>> --J. Guo-Xiang Tennen M. > > >>> > > >>>> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> REALITY, THE WORLD OF FORMS, as I just said! > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
