Joe,

Thanks!  You're post below was very thought provoking...Bill!

--- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
>
> Bill!,
> 
> "Think about it" before you begin a practice of some kind, I think Suresh may 
> mean.
> 
> Maharshi is saying that all he did was begin to sit with his eyes open, 
> rather than as he did previously, with eyes closed.  So he changed to sitting 
> with eyes open, as we do in zazen.  And, at some point it's not that he did 
> something intentionally, but something acted, and maybe that was that.  He 
> mentions a "higher power", and that could as well have been our original 
> nature, Buddha Nature, or, at that time, just a necessity of the body, while 
> his mind was quiet and he obviously did not resist.
> 
> See?, some things I can re-word, and other things I'm too lazy to.
> 
> --Joe
> 
> > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> >
> > Suresh,
> > 
> > Yes, this is very 'thought provoking'; but is exactly the opposite of what 
> > you want to practice in zen which is 'thought quiescence'.
> > 
> > ...Bill!
> > 
> > --- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From Ramana Maharishi - (very thought provoking)
> > > 
> > > "I have never done any sadhana. I did not even know what
> > > sadhana was. Only long afterwards I came to know what sadhana
> > > was and how many different kinds of it there were. Only if there
> > > was a goal to attain, I should have made sadhana to attain that goal.
> > > There was nothing which I wanted to obtain. I am now sitting with
> > > my eyes open. I was then sitting with my eyes closed. That was all
> > > the difference. I was not doing any sadhana even then. As I sat with
> > > my eyes closed, people said I was in samadhi. As I was not talking,
> > > they said I was in mauna. The fact is, I did nothing. Some Higher
> > > Power took hold of me and I was entirely in Its hand."16
>




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