Suresh,
There are no demands. We practice, we sit, and the mud in the water settles.
Sometimes, if conditions allow, we wake up. Then, there is not one thing
remaining. Usually it takes working with a teacher and a sangha for this to
happen.
Questions of thoughts, observers, etc., then are moot. These questions never
arise. All that arises is Wisdom and Compassion, in accord with circumstances.
This is just the way of Zen practice, and awakening. There is a large
literature on it, and my experience is just one man's voice to add to that body
of talk. But talk will not help a practitioner. Talk is only a goad, at best.
You know what will help. And you know when it is not good enough; and you
know what to do, as a meditator.
Chief is to find a Zen teacher, if it is Zen that interests you. If Zen does
not interest you, then we can keep talking. But I don't think I can give
satisfying answers. I'm just one guy in the desert who has a practice. And I
recommend practice. With a teacher.
--Joe
> SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Joe,
>
> Who is the thinker? Who is thinking and writing. Why does he think?
> Even though at times he realizes that thought engulf him or he become
> thoughts or he was totally possessed by thoughts and he is not aware
> of presence around. He sees that thoughts keep moving one after the
> other, then really who sees thoughts? Who is the observer? Is he also
> part of thought or is he not thought?
>
> It came to my mind that you cannot demand empty of thought, just like
> you cannot expect sky should be without clouds. The clouds will be
> there as long as water is there on the earth. We cannot expect water
> not to be there, clouds not to be there. Does sky is bonded to clouds?
> Does sky requires liberation? There was never a bondage between sky
> and clouds, and hence liberation is out of question.
>
> Then what does sky should do when it is covered by clouds, sky should
> realize that in me clouds are passing by and watch without forgetting
> its own nature.
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