Bill, Reality never rests!
Edgar On May 19, 2013, at 8:12 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > Give it a rest...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > You don't know because you don't truly understand... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On May 19, 2013, at 4:29 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > I welcome JMJM back also. > > > > > > I didn't comment on his previous post because I wasn't sure what he was > > > agreeing on Edgar with. What I read from him was: > > > > > > "The platform sutra said, "Buddha dharma is in the secular world. > > > Enlightenment to Buddhahood occurs in every day life." > > > > > > In other words, only if we live in harmony with everyone and everything, > > > seeing the truth in everything and everyone, then we are enlightened. If > > > we continue to pick or choose, then our ego is in play. Thus Chan is ALL > > > and ONE at the same time." > > > > > > I've not seen anyone say anything differently than this here so I don't > > > know why he singled out Edgar to agree with... > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > JMJM > > > > > > > > Hi and welcome back. I've missed your contributions to the group. > > > > > > > > JMJM is the only actually practicing Zen teacher on the group. Those > > > > who disagree with me and claim I don't understand and misrepresent Zen > > > > should take note that JMJM agrees with me and says that what I've been > > > > saying is in accord with Zen teaching.... > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 18, 2013, at 10:39 AM, 覺妙精明 （JMJM） wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes, Edgar is right. > > > > > > > > > > The platform sutra said, "Buddha dharma is in the secular world. > > > > > Enlightenment to Buddhahood occurs in every day life." > > > > > > > > > > In other words, only if we live in harmony with everyone and > > > > > everything, seeing the truth in everything and everyone, then we are > > > > > enlightened. If we continue to pick or choose, then our ego is in > > > > > play. Thus Chan is ALL and ONE at the same time. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, the other factor is whether the master your agree to is > > > > > enlightened or not. If he is not enlighten, then he is just playing > > > > > with your mind and not your heart. > > > > > > > > > > After all, the only thing matters is heart to heart transmission. For > > > > > a few hundred years, Buddha Heart Imprint was scarce... > > > > > > > > > > jm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu May 16, 2013 5:04 am (PDT) . Posted by: > > > > > > > > > > "Edgar Owen" edgarowen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > You should really read and understand Dogen for a change. > > > > > > > > > > He's saying what I say that you condemn, e.g. "It is an illusion to > > > > > try to carry out our practice and enlightenment through ourselves, > > > > > but to have practice and enlightenment through phenomena, that is > > > > > enlightenment. > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
