[Zen] Re: the human body

[Bill!]

Merle,

Yes!  Why me?  Why not someone else?  Someone I don't like?  Someone who 
doesn't look like me or is the same color as me or speaks the same language as 
I do.  Someone ELSE!

...Bill!

--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
>  bill...not why me...that's plain silly..why not you?...merle
>   
> Merle,
> 
> I have been in pain before.  When I am in pain I don't think of pain as a 
> judgmental delusion, I think of it as pain and judge it to be bad; and maybe 
> even think "Poor, poor me!  Why do I have to suffer all this pain?  What did 
> I do to deserve this?  I just want it to go away!".
> 
> ...Bill! 
> 
> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> >  have you been in pain bill..and thought it was judgemental 
> > delusion?...merle
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Merle,
> > 
> > I don't know how you got from what I said earlier to your post below.
> > 
> > The experience of feeling/touch is real.  That experience is Buddha Nature. 
> >  The classification of it as 'pain' is the judgmental delusion.  Just as 
> > the experience of sight is real.  The classification of it as 'a red bird' 
> > is the delusion.
> > 
> > ...Bill! 
> > 
> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  bill...i see...so if one is in pain..this is an illusion..try 
> > > telling that to someone bowled over and in agony...merle
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > Merle,
> > > 
> > > I also want to add that experiencing Buddha Nature, such as through 
> > > zazen, does not involve a disconnection with the body.  It involves a 
> > > disconnection with the illusion of self and all dualism.
> > > 
> > > ...Bill!
> > > 
> > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Merle,
> > > > 
> > > > No, the body is not a restraint.  It is a gateway - at least as far as 
> > > > zen is concerned.  The body, or at least its ability to afford 
> > > > awareness of reality, is the necessary component of Buddha Nature for 
> > > > not only humans but all beings as we know them.
> > > > 
> > > > ...Bill!
> > > > 
> > > > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > i know this is a little crazy..however here i go.. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > the human body..can we exist without it?...we do when we are in cyber 
> > > > > space.... although we need the body to get the messages out 
> > > > > there...mm that has me stumped!
> > > > > 
> > > > > would this body less be liken to the meditation  state that 
> > > > > can be achieved once one has surpassed the breath counting saga?
> > > > > 
> > > > >  i have belief that monks can practise a form of meditation 
> > > > > whereby the can slow the whole body/ mind totally down to an almost 
> > > > > non existent state
> > > > > 
> > > > > in all the many previous post there has been much focus on slowing 
> > > > > the mind down..however the body..does it have a mind of it's own so 
> > > > > to speak?
> > > > > 
> > > > > after all there are millions of tiny organisms..rummaging in the body 
> > > > > that we do not have any control over what so ever...
> > > > > 
> > > > > (meditate as long and hard as you want, they do their own thing 
> > > > > regardless)...
> > > > > 
> > > > > a whole eco system...one could say a universe lies in the gut
> > > > > 
> > > > >  my zen question is thus:  to be totally free ..the 
> > > > > human body is it a restraint?
> > > > > 
> > > > >  merle
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > Merle
> > > > > www.wix.com/merlewiitpom/1
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>




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