So in other words, for a DNAT network type, we turn the Zen load 
balancer into a NAT router, with a private IP space on the inside 
interface?

That makes it a little harder to migrate existing live servers, but I 
suppose it can be done.

On 2015-06-15 22:25, Mathieu Chateau wrote:
> I guess so 192.168.0.0/24 [1] is not your real network as it's public
> ip ?
> 
> You can use vlan on your switch to have a different logical network
> from the public ip one
> 
> Flows must go both way through Zen. Remote computer is waiting a tcp
> ack from the public ip it is connecting to, not another one.
> Dnat is the good profile to get real remote ip address.
> 
> You should use tcpdump/wireshark on Zen,server and remote client if
> you can to figure out issue
> 
> Your server should be hidden from direct internet access.
> 
> Using a "*" for port would allow remote desktop & ssh & co, which is
> bad. Please only allow mail ports / load balanced one
> 
> Cordialement,
> Mathieu CHATEAU
> http://www.lotp.fr [2]
> 
> 2015-06-15 23:38 GMT+02:00 Ernie Dunbar <[email protected]>:
> 
>> So I'm having a little trouble getting L4xNAT working. Keep in mind
>> that
>> I'm using our failover server for testing, which currently exists
>> on a
>> public IP address alongside our live server, which I eventually
>> want to
>> add to this server cluster. We're trying to upgrade our current
>> live
>> servers to a failover cluster using Zen, so it's probably a little
>> trickier than normal. This is how my first attempt has worked out
>> so
>> far:
>> 
>> Default gateway for our network: 192.168.0.1
>> Zen IP: 192.168.0.7
>> Failover server IP: 192.168.0.22
>> Live server IP (currently unused and not part of any pool):
>> 192.168.0.4
>> 
>> - create a new IP address at 192.168.0.30 on the Zen loadbalancer.
>> - create new farm named "Mail" with the Profile "L4xNAT".
>> - Protocol type is ALL
>> - NAT type is DNAT
>> - Load Balance algorithm is by Weight
>> - Persistence mode is IP persistence (we'll need this later for POP
>> because reasons)
>> - Persistence time limit is 600
>> - Farm Virtual IP is 192.168.0.30 and virtual port is * for all.
>> 
>> Then I add the first real IP server: Address 192.168.0.22, port *,
>> weight 5, priority 1.
>> 
>> On that failover server, I've removed the host's normal default
>> gateway
>> from the network settings and replaced it with 192.168.0.7. Again,
>> to
>> reiterate, the entire 192.168.0.0/24 [1] network is actually our
>> public
>> class C IP network. 192.168.0.7 is actually the public, outside
>> interface of the Zen loadbalancer, and I don't have a separate
>> private
>> IP network behind the loadbalancer like you'd see with regular NAT.
>> I
>> expect that this is necessarily what needs to happen, since
>> ultimately
>> the client is supposed to talk directly to the server after
>> forwarding,
>> is it not?
>> 
>> Or do I have to set up a separate, private IP address space behind
>> the
>> Zen loadbalancer, like one would usually do with a NATed network?
>> I'm a
>> little unsure about how we'd manage to smoothly migrate our mail
>> customers to the new cluster while keeping the old server running.
>> This
>> wasn't a problem when I set up the server farms with a TCP profile,
>> and
>> our initial testing was working fine - minus the inability to log
>> the
>> source IP of incoming connections.
>> 
>> On 2015-06-15 12:32, Mathieu Chateau wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I guess it's incoming smtp, else your wouldn't see any relay
>> attempt.
>> 
>> It's actually outgoing SMTP, on a public IP address, which is why
>> we see
>> the relay attempts. Spammers scan our ports and try to use our SMTP
>> server to send mail. We've currently got a particularly stupid one
>> who
>> won't take "no relay for YOU!" for an answer for several days now.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Using L4xnat should make your server receiving real remote ip
>> address.
>>> Then it must use zen as a gateway for reply.
>>> 
>>> For SMTP, except if you only have 1 ip address, I do not see big
>>> benefits, as MX are already meant to survive smtp server failure
>> in
>>> the whole internet.
>>> 
>>> Tcpdump wouldn't be useful as you need the true IP in realtime to
>>> block smtp connection and not accept it at all. Also needed for
>> grey
>>> listing.
>>> 
>>> Cordialement,
>>> Mathieu CHATEAU
>>> http://www.lotp.fr [2] [3]
>> 
>>> 
>>> 2015-06-15 16:44 GMT+02:00 Emilio Campos
>>> <[email protected]>:
>>> 
>>>> You can use tcpdump in the load balancer in order to obtain the
>>>> origin IP.
>>>> 
>>>> 2015-06-12 22:54 GMT+02:00 Ernie Dunbar
>> <[email protected]>:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We're using the community edition of Zen Loadbalancer, and I've
>>>>> noticed
>>>>> a problem with logging incoming connections. Namely, that it
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> exist. We've only set up POP and outgoing SMTP as a load
>> balanced
>>>>> service so far, but as a result of that our logs are now
>> filling
>>>>> up with
>>>>> a lot of SMTP relay attempts. Setting up Fail2Ban on the
>>>>> loadbalancer
>>>>> would be pretty easy, if only we had any idea where these
>>>>> connections
>>>>> were coming from, but they're not showing up in any of the
>> logs.
>>>>> Is
>>>>> there some setting that can turn this logging on?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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