On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Stefan Sandberg
<[email protected]> wrote:

> What exactly IS the missing feature Google would provide, other than (what
> appears to me)that you'd like it
> better integrated into how -you- do things, probably because you already use
> Google's products regularly?

I think the question is "what's the problem here".  Having spoken with
Daniel a little offline about this, it's not about any particular
preference for Google groups but about difficulties in using the
current email structures.

These difficulties are well known to all of us, I think.  Most of us
accept them but still, they cause pain to newcomers.

The biggest problem is what I call Email is Not a Database, the
difficulty of finding relevant material.  People have tried to create
'topic pages' on the wiki but that went nowhere.

A better search function might help, but still, it's rather hard to
know what to look for until you know the material.  Catch-22.

I've worked extensively with Wikidot in the past and it can solve this
problem _very_ well since it gives easy tools to separate transient
from persistent material, but has the big disadvantage of breaking the
"reply by email" workflow that we love so much.

Mato proposed some other platforms but those would require a wholesale
move off this list manager onto something new.

My own view is that the list works well, and that anyone who feels
pushed to collect material in more accessible forms will do so.
Essentially this is a development list and discussions are by default
transient.

We may want to make it clear that the list is for development
discussions rather than first-line help.  First line help might work a
lot better with a more traditional forum model where 90% of material
is persistent.

-Pieter
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