git by its nature is already decentralized using it with tools like github make it centralized
Am Mo., 29. Juli 2019 um 08:25 Uhr schrieb alex. <thissid...@riseup.net>: > Alas, "hosting yourself" is a murky concept: > - Do you run your service on a virtual server? Then who hosts your vServer? > - Do you run your service on bare metal? Then who hosts your datacenter, > where the metal is located? > - Do you run your bare metal on your own internet connection? Then who > is your provider? > > The fact of the matter is is that there is no jurisdiction-free > cyberspace and moreover the jurisdictions of independent countries do > slowly catch up to the technology. And such a debate is pointless > anyway. It's also not the question at hand. > > So let's get back to the initial question: a decentralized git. The fact > of the matter is is that git is a decentralized protocol. The irony of > the matter is is that a lot of platforms spruced up leveraging git, > adding incredible features - but being centralized. If C4 requires bug > tracking and pull requests, then that is a problem for decentralization. > > However, it should be possible to make those platforms work in a > decentralized manner. I.e. multiple entry-points for submitting, polling > and reviewing. Note though that a decentralized infrastructure always > comes at increased maintenance costs. Plus the development cost. But > that's one option. > > Another option is we look into free (as in freedom and in beer) hosting > alternatives outside of the US, e.g. in a EU-based datacenter. While "if > a foreign company does business with US businesses but also Iranian > businesses, it is a target of those US sanctions" is true, it's also > true that the EU plans to reimburse that EU-based company's losses so as > to nullify these sanctions. > > In any case, ZeroMQ is not the only dev project having these problems. > Communication, concertation and solidarity is key here. > > alex. > > On 7/29/19 7:26 AM, Esa HekmatiZadeh wrote: > > I checked gitlab service today and yes, gitlab also prevent Iranian > access. > > I'm not familliar with email based patching and development in this > > style, also I think C4 requires bug tracking and pull request mechanism. > > Harald is right and if you host gitlab yourself then you are free from > > rules of hosting services. > > It's not a matter if this host located in US, until it doesn't have any > > trade. Like Savanneh service > > > > > > On Mon, 29 Jul 2019, 03:02 Harald Achitz, <harald.ach...@gmail.com > > <mailto:harald.ach...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > I think when you run gilab your own, you can run it on whatever > > server you want in any country, and can allow access to whom ever > > you want > > of course, for free hosting you need to follow the rules of the one > > who does the hosting for you > > > > so there are 2 aspects, the git software, which is git, > > usermanangment, issue tracker, etc..., > > github gitlab bitbucket gitteaGogs, .... the list is rather long > > > > and the git software hosting, where some have the same name as their > > produces, github gitlab bitbucket, > > so there are companies that provide a hosting service and of you use > > their services and you have to follow the rules of them > > > > https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitHosting > > > > the problem is, if there is no financial baking, and you are > > depended on free services , the non US options seem to be limited > > > > I heard / read that kernel devs still use mail ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am So., 28. Juli 2019 um 22:02 Uhr schrieb Benjamin Henrion > > <zoo...@gmail.com <mailto:zoo...@gmail.com>>: > > > > On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 8:48 PM Esa HekmatiZadeh > > <esa.hek...@gmail.com <mailto:esa.hek...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Benjamin > > > Thank you to mention this issue here, actually yesterday > > GitHub suspended my account because I live in Iran. There are a > > long list of platforms and even free software websites that are > > forbidden for countries you have mentioned and I think this is > > completely against freedom. > > > > I just moved myself to Iran for Github software development: > > > > https://github.com/zoobab > > > > > Gitlab does not ban users from these countries yet, also > > GItlab is GPL licensed and we can host it ourself in a > > subdomain, for example, gitlab.zeromq.org > > <http://gitlab.zeromq.org> but this approach requires extra > > maintenance and a server to run Gitlab. > > > > It seems Gitlab.com is also based in the US. > > > > > https://savannah.nongnu.org/ is another option hosted by FSF > > foundation. > > > > Hosted in Fremont, CA, United States. > > > > As long as the US has jurisdiction, you are lost. > > > > I was looking for friendly countries that do not have trade > > sanctions > > with Iran, it seems the US with all its allies (probably in the > > sense > > of NATO) have trade sanctions with Iran. > > > > Nat Friedman, CEO of Github, seems to say that moving to another > > country does not matter, as if a foreign company does business > > with US > > businesses but also Iranian businesses, it is a target of those > US > > sanctions. > > > > What we have to do is to implement cyberspace, where law makers > > don't > > have a say. That might be utopic, but the bricks are getting > there. > > ZeroMQ might be one of those bricks. > > > > -- > > Benjamin Henrion (zoobab) > > Email: zoobab at gmail.com <http://gmail.com> > > Mobile: +32-484-566109 > > Web: http://www.zoobab.com > > FFII.org Brussels > > "In July 2005, after several failed attempts to legalise software > > patents in Europe, the patent establishment changed its strategy. > > Instead of explicitly seeking to sanction the patentability of > > software, they are now seeking to create a central European > patent > > court, which would establish and enforce patentability rules in > > their > > favor, without any possibility of correction by competing courts > or > > democratically elected legislators." > > _______________________________________________ > > zeromq-dev mailing list > > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org <mailto:zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org> > > https://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > > zeromq-dev mailing list > > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org <mailto:zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org> > > https://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > zeromq-dev mailing list > > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org > > https://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > zeromq-dev mailing list > zeromq-dev@lists.zeromq.org > https://lists.zeromq.org/mailman/listinfo/zeromq-dev >
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