I agree wholeheartedly. This ZFS is a must for desktop, small business and enterprise. I've been hanging out in #zfs and reading quite a bit over the last couple weeks and I will never trust my data again unless I have ZFS in place. I look to transfer this to my clients' setups as well somehow and certainly will be running Solaris as a SAN until Apple gets its act together. I certainly dislike much of Solaris in terms of userland methodology, but kernel-wise I'd like to see OS X gutted and xnu replaced by Solaris any day, at least at the moment. We'll have to see how things shape up with Leopard and see if they've changed any of the underpinnings significantly.
On 6/12/07, Toby Thain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 12-Jun-07, at 1:54 PM, Erblichs wrote: > Group, > > Isn't Apple strength really in the non-compute intensive > personal computer / small business environment? > IE, Plug and play. > > Thus, even though ZFS is able to work as the default > FS, should it be the default FS for the small system > environment where your average user, wants it more to > work, and cares less about administration issues. This is exactly why it should be (and surely will be, but evidently not in 10.5) - as François and others have observed. It's absurd to claim that people's "Digital Lives" (as sold by Apple) do not deserve the same protection as some Oracle accounts payable. It has always bothered me the way this has been oversold: Put your whole life - music, mail, photos, video, bookmarks, love letters, unfinished novel - on a single 300GB drive then lose the lot either by bitwise attrition or catastrophic end of lifespan. [I believe consumer machines should sell out of the box with 2 mirrored drives (and easy end user procedure to replace). But that's just me.] Rewind to the year 2000 and prior, when people would make the same argument about UNIX: "Apple's stupid for pretending you can put a best of breed O/S on consumer desktops. It's too complex! It's too fragile! It's just too damn powerful!" Well, here we are, and they did it. ZFS will be the same story. This is how Mr Jobs works. Have vision, will ship: And ZFS is just the sort of disruptive, generational shift that would catch his attention. IMHO. > > It/ZFS almost, IMO, needs to check mistakes with configuration > in the first case, where the larger business environment > can have one or more dedicated admins that are more adapt > to config and tuning issues. UNIX on your grandmother's iMac. Who knew? --Toby > > Mitchell Erblich > ---------------- > > Rich Teer wrote: >> >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Robert Smicinski wrote: >> >>> Apple's strength is the desktop, Sun's is the datacenter. >> >> Agreed, to a large extent. >> >>> There's no need to have ZFS on the desktop, just as there's no need >>> to have HFS+ in the datacenter. >> >> I strongly disagree with the first clause of that sentence. There's >> no reason why one wouldn't want to have mirrored file systems on a >> workstation, or make use of snapshots and clones. All three of those >> features are supplied rather handily by ZFS. >> >> ZFS isn't just about easily creating massive pools of data, although >> admitedly that is the first feature most people mention. >> >>> There is a need to improve ZFS in the datacenter, however, and I >>> wish >>> Sun had invested their time in getting dynamic LUN expansion going >>> instead of working on a port to OS/X. >> >> I have no insider knowledge, but I don't think Sun invested much time >> in this. I believe Apple's engineers did most of the work. >> >> -- >> Rich Teer, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA, OGB member >> >> CEO, >> My Online Home Inventory >> >> Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 >> URLs: http://www.rite-group.com/rich >> http://www.myonlinehomeinventory.com >> _______________________________________________ >> zfs-discuss mailing list >> zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org >> http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss > _______________________________________________ > zfs-discuss mailing list > zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss _______________________________________________ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss
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