Have youse guys read the article? Jon
----- Original Message ----- From: "George Cobabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] Conditional divine love > "Divine love is perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal. The full > flower of divine love and our greatest blessings from that love are > conditional -- predicated upon our obedience to eternal law." > > Stephen, this statement seems to negate your earlier idea that love is > conditional. It seems to me that Love from our Father and our Savior is > unconditional and as part of that they want us to receive as much as we can, > but no more blessing than we can handle. > > The blessing may be conditional, but surely not the love. If Elder Nelson > said any different than that I would be disappointed, but I will read the > article. > > George > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Beecroft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:32 AM > Subject: [ZION] Conditional divine love > > > > Some time ago on this very list (probably its incarnation on zilker.net > > or some other pre-Topica server), a rather heated discussion -- imagine > > that! -- arose regarding, of all topics, God's love. Some of us claimed > > that the scriptures clearly teach that God's love is conditional, given > > to some more than to others, and dependent in its intensity on the > > actions and heart of the recipient; while others steadfastly maintained > > that God's love is unconditional, that he loves the rankest, vilest > > sinner just as much as he loves the most virtuous of men and women. > > > > I thus find it interesting that this month's Ensign includes an article > > by Elder Nelson extolling the *conditional* nature of God's love. I > > definitely recommend the article to all, which starts on page 20 of the > > February 2003 Ensign. Some relevant quotations follow: > > > > "While divine love can be called perfect, infinite, enduring, and > > universal, it cannot correctly be characterized as *unconditional*." > > [emphasis in original] > > > > "With scriptural patterns of conditional statements in mind, we note > > many verses that declare the conditional nature of divine love for us. > > Examples include: [John 15:10; D&C 95:12; John 14:23; Proverbs 8:17; > > Acts 10:34-35; 1 Nephi 17:40; John 14:21]" > > > > "Understanding that divine love and blessings are not truly > > 'unconditional' can defend us against common fallacies such as these: > > 'Since God's love is unconditional, He will love me regardless...'; or > > 'Since ''God is love,'' He will love me unconditionally, regardless...' > > These arguments are used by anti-Christs to woo people with deception." > > > > "Divine love is perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal. The full > > flower of divine love and our greatest blessings from that love are > > conditional -- predicated upon our obedience to eternal law." > > > > Stephen > > > > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > // > > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > / > > > > > > > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / > > > ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ==^================================================================ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^================================================================
