Thank you for the huge effort you expended on this, Martijn. You are right, with Jim taking a rest from his much-appreciated past years as leader, no one is in a position to guide the "Zope" name. We do have community leaders, such as yourself, but they are guiding other names at the moment.
By focusing on reinvigorating the name "Zope," I think we have an opportunity to move forward. This can be done loosely but with an opportunity for people such as yourself to take leadership. Zope Foundation members should be encouraged to propose "Zope"-named umbrella projects. Acceptance should be simple and loose--on the order of, you send an email to the ZF list to request use of a new "Zope" name, and the default answer to ZF members is "yes, unless someone challenges it to a vote within four days, with simple majority rule in the ZF". That's a straw man, but hopefully conveys the idea. For instance and hypothetically, if you tomorrow wanted to start a new project called "Zope Rocks" that was to be some substrate of Grok, you should be encouraged. Moreover, if you are willing to step up and declare that you are starting something called the "Zope Framework" that manages a known good set of code, and you hope other projects and people join in and help, that makes sense to me. With what I've seen on the Grok list, you can do a great job as a project leader, generally being positive, open, and motivating. And importantly, it's just a use of the name: "Zope". Other ZF developers might come along and say "that Martijn character knows nothing--come join be on Zope Super Framework Libraries!" I don't think they will, but they could, and would likely be given the same opportunity, given the "simple and loose" approach I described. That said, I suspect the vast majority of people will be appreciative of your efforts, and I suspect that you'll be able to marshal cooperation among many of the consumers of the current crop of Zope libraries. People that want a leadership position will seek you out and help. Hopefully you can get along. If not, watch out for the competing "Zope Super Framework Libraries," coming soon. So that's what I would prefer, instead of the elected steering group. You want it, you do it. And Martijn, I hope you do. And if not, sure, I'll vote for the "steering group," hopefully guided by the Plone experience Martin is recounting, just so we have *something*. Gary _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )