Jim Fulton wrote: > On Apr 17, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote: > >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 18:00, Jim Fulton <j...@zope.com> wrote: >>> I think it is clear that you are disregarding many people's opinions. >> What opinions have been disregarded, more exactly? > > > Gary's, Mine, Tres', Simon's, Benji's and others I could find if I > trolled through the thread, which I won't.
I'll troll through the thread myself and just quote myself. """ Given the responses to this thread I'm starting to lean towards pushing the message to the outside that Zope 3 has become Zope Toolkit, has a different focus, basically just as Gary stated, and really push this message internally (on zope-dev) as well. I'll think it over over the weekend (and discuss it with Christian Theune, as we're near to each other in rl then). """ """ That's a good point. A renaming operation does have the virtue of being simple to understand for outsiders. If we assume that the Zope Toolkit has other focuses internally that it should be all right to give up the name Zope 3 (except in the maintenance sense). """ """ So I'm ready to just go with Gary's plan and present this as a renaming recognizing that Zope 3 has become something very different, as there really indeed doesn't seem to be anything else left. """ """ I think Carsten says it well though, contrasting external and internal communication, and not just making the term "Zope 3" disappear. """ [I'll note that Carsten has supported both the rename but also said in another message we shouldn't rename it to the outside world in this thread, similar to my latest proposal] I was hoping that people like Fabio who expressed interest in Zope 3 as a community project (whatever its name) could get some time to organize themselves first. So I proposed delaying this decision first (especially as it'll take us a while to get ready anyway). I'm also just plain concerned with renaming a name referenced in many places (books and so on). This concern was expressed in earlier threads by various people when I proposed renaming Zope 3 to something else. Finally I'm worried that saying Zope 3 was renamed to Zope Toolkit dilutes the concept separation, which was exactly what I was trying so hard to do. I'm still not very happy with the implications of that. Why attack me when I'm trying to give it a bit more thought? It's really discouraging to do that. Regards, Martijn _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )