Roger Ineichen wrote:
Hi David
[...]
Hi Roger. This is really interesting. It would be good to see
a very small demo of these nice packages you have been
contributing - something
that would put together the minimal layer, menu package,
and a few basic viewlets just to give folks a basic idea of
what can be acheived 'minimally'. Also a clearer
understanding of where to use trusted over the basic layer. I
would seem that this is the road to some very dynamic
skinning flexibility.
That whould be nice, but right now I don't have time for doing
such a *how to* sample. Let me know if somebody likes to doing
this. Perhaps I can help a little bit.
Hi Roger. I'd be willing to give this a try. Perhaps the Boston skin can
be broken into smaller viewlets as a means of providing this howto so
that I don't have to create everything. I you are happy with this, I
will keep in touch offlist.
The one thing perhaps missing from this is a mechanism for
storing and manipulating viewlets and selecting a template on
a container. Perhaps a template manager is also needed. What
I am missing from Zope2 is the simple ability to drop an
index.html or different template into a folder as a simple
way to make folder views that are based on site context.
Sites can be pretty terrible otherwise if they are not
sensitive to where you are and display the same organization
of viewlets. If viewlets/viewlet managers and a template can
be maintained as annotations on a container and the weighting
of viewlet managers manipulated through a form instead of
zcml then we'd be cooking with gas. :-)
I agree on that, at least on the functionality. Stephan and I
will implement a portlet like concept some time in the future.
Such a concept will support to build standalone applications
as viewlets with own urls and states etc. This should be enough
base for all future concepts where I can think about.
CPSSkins does this from a portlet perspective but its implementation is
not yet complete. I not clear of how viewlets fit into CPSSkins at this
point as a result. Perhaps this will come to light. I have made crude
themes and portlets but have not yet been able to assign the theme/theme
page to a path. This will be part of the Site Manager functionality. JM
has been away for a bit but I have been following this closely for some
time.
It can create a theme and a theme page but the css is very tightly
integrated into the WYSIWYG interface and auto-generates the css classes
and ids. Though it has all sorts of potential, I am much more at home
writing and testing stylesheets than going back to my days with
Dreamweaver. The autogeneration of classes and ids would make it
difficult to style writing your own css in resource files. I'd rather
just hang the css on the structures, breaking it only into a small
number of files and be done with it.
Regards
David
Regards
Roger Ineichen
Regards,
David
Roger Ineichen wrote:
Hi Jeff
[...]
With the ZMI, I end up asking "is this the UI I want to
deliver to my customer?" And the answer is rarely "yes!" I
feel like I have to arm wrestle a lot more to turn off and
hide features. I still don't really understand how the 'Add'
menu works.
Did you see the layer package I commited to the z3c repos the
last days?
There is now a minimal layer which allows you to build
very easy a own administration interface.
This isn't a criticism of the ZMI skin. It just hasn't been a
fit for any of our customers or applications, which makes it
very hard to support. Fortunately, it's fairly easy to do
away with. But it also feels very hard to migrate away from
if that's where ones initial work is.
We really should use the Boston skin which offers much more
flexibility for such customized ZMI's because of it's
viewlet/manager concept and drop the Rotterdam skin.
[...]
Having developed on and for Zope for nearly ten years now, I
can say that there is no such thing as "traditional zope
development" :).
There are a lot of ways to get things done.
;-)
Regards
Roger Ineichen
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