Thanks.

I've had both servers come up against unable to detect any running worker
since clearing out all the files suggested. So I'm getting 16279 running
now.

I noticed the startup with those files removed was really quick, starting
back up the second time took several minutes so presumably reading those
files during startup takes a little while versus creating them fresh.

I've caught one already and traced it through the new logs:

016-10-05 11:47:38 [Main_Thread] Info: Main_Thread got connection request
2016-10-05 11:47:38 [Main_Thread] Info: Main_Thread looks up the best
Worker for new connection - 73
2016-10-05 11:47:38 [Main_Thread] Info: try to interrupt worker Worker_3
(12) for new connection
2016-10-05 11:47:38 [Main_Thread] Info: Main_Thread interrupted Worker_3
(12) to submit the connection
2016-10-05 11:47:38 [Main_Thread] Info: Main_Thread will wait (max 30 s)
for the answer of Worker_3 which handles 12 sockets
2016-10-05 11:47:41 [Worker_3] SC-Time Worker_3: 0.0462169647216797
2016-10-05 11:47:41 [Worker_3] Info: Worker_3 got connection from
MainThread - 73/73
2016-10-05 11:47:41 [Worker_3] Info: Worker_3 freed Main_Thread - 170
2016-10-05 11:47:41 [Main_Thread] Info: Main_Thread freed by interrupted
Worker_3 in 2.972 seconds - got (ok)
2016-10-05 11:47:41 [Worker_3] Connected: session:7FF3AA6E9A28
109.168.50.75:41612 > 92.63.138.65:25 > 127.0.0.1:125
2016-10-05 11:47:43 [Worker_3] SC-Time Worker_3: 0.103252172470093
2016-10-05 11:47:43 [Worker_3] SC-Time Worker_3: 0.0278699398040771
2016-10-05 11:47:43 [Worker_3] 109.168.50.75 [SMTP Reply] 220
mail2.smtphost.co.uk ESMTP Exim 4.86_2 Ubuntu Wed, 05 Oct 2016 11:47:41
+0100
2016-10-05 11:47:43 [Worker_3] SC-Time Worker_3: 0.0423040390014648
2016-10-05 11:47:43 [Worker_3] 109.168.50.75 SC-Time Worker_3:
0.0296478271484375
2016-10-05 11:47:43 [Worker_3] 109.168.50.75 disconnected:
session:7FF3AA6E9A28 109.168.50.75 - processing time 2 seconds
2016-10-05 11:48:13 [Main_Thread] Info: Main_Thread freed by interrupted
Worker_3 in 31.940 seconds - got (ok)

In this case, it looks like the connection ended without any actual data.
There is lots of activity reported by Worker_3 in between 11:47:43 and
11:48:13 but this all pertains to other connections that were already in
progress.

That is a bit different to the earlier one where a message was received and
the message completed within the 30s window.

I'm not seeing anything to help me figure out why though and I don't want
to simply post a big excerpt of the maillog.txt.

On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Thomas Eckardt <thomas.ecka...@thockar.com>
wrote:

> >I looked at SF but only see 16275 in test (updated 3 days ago) so maybe
> it
> hasn't made its way live yet.
>
> Sorry, my background CVS sync was not running - update is done.
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
>
> Von:    cw <colin.war...@gmail.com>
> An:     ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Datum:  05.10.2016 11:48
> Betreff:        Re: [Assp-test] unable to detect any running worker
>
>
>
> Thank you Thomas.
>
> useDB4IntCache - already set to off
> I've set WorkerLog to diagnostic and done the other steps.
> I don't have anything in CorrectASSPcfg.pm so as part of the
> troubleshooting I have previously deleted it and downloaded a fresh copy
> from SourceForge.
>
> I have to say that ASSP started up within seconds after clearing those
> files out - it normally takes several minutes and has always done.
>
> I looked at SF but only see 16275 in test (updated 3 days ago) so maybe it
> hasn't made its way live yet.
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Thomas Eckardt
> <thomas.ecka...@thockar.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I've provided an updated assp.pl (2.5.4 16279) in CVS /test. This
> version
> > shows some more information, if 'WorkerLog' is set to diagnostic.
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Von:    cw <colin.war...@gmail.com>
> > An:     ASSP development mailing list <assp-test@lists.sourceforge.net>
> > Datum:  05.10.2016 10:10
> > Betreff:        Re: [Assp-test] unable to detect any running worker
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Thomas,
> >
> > Thanks for chipping in. All modules are installed by running the latest
> > mod_inst.pl. Crypt::GOST on Ubuntu actually has a bug in it so it
> requires
> > a minor edit to the code to get it to build. So that module was
> installed
> > by switching to /root/.cpan/build/Crypt-GOST-x-x-x and running:
> > make clean
> > perl Makefile.PL
> > make
> > make test
> > make install
> >
> > I run cpan-outdated -p|cpanm from time to time in order to keep modules
> up
> > to date as well so things don't stay stuck on old versions.
> >
> > Everything that is installed now is a completely fresh build as the
> > Upgrade
> > to 16.04 replaced perl 5.18 with 5.22 and all the modules therefore had
> to
> > be installed from scratch.
> >
> > I bypassed the issue by truncating the tables and setting up the users
> > again. With there only being one user it was easier to do that than muck
> > about with it - especially with the other bigger issue at hand.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Thomas Eckardt
> > <thomas.ecka...@thockar.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > >to replace the corrupted encrypted
> > > strings with the correct values
> > >
> > > Was the 'Crypt::GOST' module from the SF download page at the old assp
> > > instance?
> > > If it was, did you install the 'Crypt::GOST' module from the SF
> download
> > > page, before you started the new assp instance?
> > >
> > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/assp/files/ASSP%20V2%
> > > 20multithreading/ASSP%20V2%20module%20installation/Crypt-GOST/
> > >
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Von:    cw <colin.war...@gmail.com>
> > > An:     ASSP development mailing list
> <assp-test@lists.sourceforge.net>
> > > Datum:  05.10.2016 09:52
> > > Betreff:        Re: [Assp-test] unable to detect any running worker
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers for the reply.
> > >
> > > I don't think backups are an option seen as I've moved completely from
> > > Ubuntu 14.04 to Ubuntu 16.04.
> > >
> > > Also, this issue has been around for months. It was causing a handful
> of
> > > shutdowns a week with the occasional spat of more frequent shutdowns.
> It
> > > is
> > > entirely possible that the errors are behaviour related and nothing to
> > do
> > > with the upgrade and that current email behaviour is triggering it big
> > > style.
> > >
> > > I'm not convinced though, unfortunately I'm not convinced of anything
> > else
> > > hence not having much to go on. I can't see any consistencies in the
> > > behaviour leading up to the events.
> > >
> > > I don't think it is database related. It happened on one of the mail
> > > servers during the upgrade to 16.04 when ASSP had just started but I
> had
> > > not yet got into the web interface to replace the corrupted encrypted
> > > strings with the correct values so all database connections were in
> > error.
> > >
> > > The problem has already started again this morning so I can see this
> > being
> > > another fun day that either leads to a fix or having to put something
> > else
> > > in place.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 4:34 AM, K Post <nntp.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've been reading here, but I haven't had anything to suggest.  All
> > > seems
> > > > quite odd if it was working prior to upgrading and downgrading
> didn't
> > > work.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Could you spin up a backup of the installation after copying the
> > current
> > > > data?  Sure you'd have an older corpus, but I'd think you could add
> > the
> > > new
> > > > files if necessary, manually replace whitelist etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 5:48 PM, cw <colin.war...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Further development on this today, very little.
> > > > > I have moved both servers onto Ubuntu 16.04 LTS which means going
> > from
> > > > perl
> > > > > 5.18 to 5.22 and rebuilding all perl modules from scratch.
> > > > >
> > > > > The admin user db did not work after the upgrade so I had to empty
> > the
> > > > > tables before it would come back online.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm still getting delayed emails and assp shutting down telling me
> > it
> > > is
> > > > > unable
> > > > > to detect any running worker.
> > > > >
> > > > > If this goes on much longer the MD will pull the plug and we'll
> end
> > up
> > > > > moving to a third party solution which is not something I want but
> > if
> > > I
> > > > > can't fix it I can't defend it :/
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