The Baha'i Studies Listserv I once read an article in American Baha'i on an unrelated, coincidental episode in the Gaurdian's life. He was very frugal. He wore the same coat all the time and it got old word out. 'Amatu'l-Baha bought him an exspensive coat. He had her sell it for a dozen cheapest coats, one for him and the rest for charity. I oversimplified the episode, but the point is her materialistic leanings.
________________________________ From: Susan Maneck <sman...@gmail.com> To: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 2:44:02 PM Subject: Re: Sects The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear Loic, It is precisely because of the need to preserve our unity that we are urged to stay away from Covenant breakers. Their intent is to destroy that unity and if given the opportunity they woulld do so. As you probably know association with Covenant breakers is prohibited. We are *discouraged* but not forbidden to read their writings. There are some of us (myself included) who for various reasons find it necessary to acquaint ourselves with their writings but I don't try and broadcast their arguments to other believers when it is in the context of refuting their arguments. Yes, we are encouraged to search for the truth but we don't do that by associating with those deliberately trying to distort the truth. For instance, when I see someone with no real evidence or proof trying to accuse Ruhiyyih Khanum of murdering the Guardian and I myself have seen the Guardian's death certificate and *know* what the autopsy findings were, I know that the person making such accusations has no regard for truthfulness. The only thing that can result from being exposed to such distortions is confusion and suspicion. Now if a believer does come across this stuff and has questions about it, I have no problem at all with addressing those questions, but I want to do so in such a way that we are not sowing the seeds of doubt. warmest, Susan 2010/1/21 Loïc ROYER <l...@free.fr>: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Dear Susan, > I'm more a reader than a writer in this, as my english is more commercial > than spiritual. > But these last exchanges remind me a question I put myself since I am bahai > : > How baha'is can say they are in friendship with all believers of all > one-only-God believers, but not with the nearest, called > "covenant-breakers"? > > I clearly understand that the UHJ tell us not to exchange with those people, > as they pretend to be "the" bahais, with a different organization and > authority than the UHJ. > Reading what they publish (despite the UHJ recommandation!), I've just been > chocked by the aggressivity against bahai faith, and I never thought a > second to take care about what they pretend to know better. > > Anyway, the modernity of our faith is based on the personal research and > way. How can we make any personal way, how can we believe in the power of > humanity mind and soul, if we block a part of the way? > I believe we all bahais have to accept that, like all other religions, we > have had a big trouble between the believers, and are now divided in 2 > "churches", despite we invite all believers to Unity! > We all just humans, bahais make their best to try to be best humans, but the > way is still very long... > Let's all work for it but World is not yet a paradise! > > Loďc > > > > Susan Maneck a écrit : >> >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> Dear Stephen, >> I would request once again that you do not post their material here. If >> you have questions about their arguments you can certainly ask about it, but >> most Baha'is try and avoid exposure to this kind of thing as the Guardian >> and the House have strongly recommended. I think we should respect their >> choice in this regard. >> As far as the BUPC allowing women on their so-called House of Justice, if >> you read their document carefully you fill find that nearly all of their >> arguments were plagiarized from papers written by Tony Lee and Juan Cole. >> warnest, Susan >> __________________________________________________ >> You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:l...@free.fr >> Unsubscribe: send a blank email to >> mailto:leave-482341-5368...@list.jccc.edu >> Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to >> ly...@list.jccc.edu >> Or subscribe: >> http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st >> Baha'i Studies is available through the following: >> Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu >> Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st >> News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st >> Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net >> New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > > > __________________________________________________ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:sman...@gmail.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-482362-7387...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:skg_z...@yahoo.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-482369-17190...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-482417-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
