The Baha'i Studies Listserv None of the ahadith that you quote are categorical. If you read them carefully, most (or all) of them are dubious at best. Do you really and sincerely believe that the Prophet Muhammad ever implied that He was somehow better than other Prophets, that His speech was more pithy than the speech of other Prophets? Do you really believe in such nonsense? And how do you think the Shi`ah is going to read the hadith that you quote from the Prophet that after Him there will be only Caliphs? What nonsense.
At any rate, show me just one clear Text from the Good Book in which God says that there will never come any other Messsenger from God for humanity and anywhere in the Quran wherein God said to take it literally. In fact the Good Book just says the exact opposite, that Divine Revelation is limitless, that if men were as good as angels, God still would send them a Messenger from amingst the angels, etc., etc. What about the other ahadith that contradict the ahadith that you quoted? I mean, come on, give me a break. Clear and compelling evidence! My foot. Iskandar On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Gilberto Simpson < gilberto.simp...@gmail.com> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > On 12/16/10, Susan Maneck <sman...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > >> And from a Muslim perspective, the textual support for the finality of > >> Muhammad's messengership and prophethood is in an analagous way clear, > >> strong, varied, persuasive and compelling > > > > Half a phrase from a text which repeatedly condemn those who say God > > will not send any more prophets is compelling? > > > > Not just based on the Quran but from the hadith and the writings of > the imams... for example, Khazeh's paper refers to a quote from Ali: > > God sent Muhammad at a time when for a long time no prophet had > appeared, and people were suffering from religious differences and > squabbles; God terminated [khatama bihi al-wahy] the institution of > Prophethood with Prophet Muhammad. (Imam `Alí, "Nahj al-Balághah" qtd. > in Noori, Finality 5) > > And then there are the prophetic hadith. Some Bahais may not accept > them but that doesn't really matter. Many religions (including the > Bahai Faith) have their own rules about which texts are authoritative > can certainly be different from the texts which non-members find valid > or effective. If the doctrine of finality just depended on the meaning > of the word "khatam" or "seal" you could certainly argue that perhaps > the text is metaphorical, but if you look at all the texts > collectively, there are too many different wordings for one to make > that argument. > > * The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: "The tribe of Israel was > guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another prophet > succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will > succeed me." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib). > > * The Prophet of God (PBUH) affirmed: "My position in relation to > the prophets who came before me can be explained by the following > example: > > A man erected a building and adorned this edifice with great > beauty, but he left an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick > was missing. People looked around the building and marvelled at its > beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am > like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of the > Prophets." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib). > > (In other words, with the advent of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) the > edifice of Prophethood has been completed and there is no empty niche > in this edifice to provide room for another prophet.) > > Four traditions relating to this subject are recorded, in Muslim, > Kitab-ul-Fada'il, Babu Khatimin-Nabiyyin. The latter tradition > contains the following additional sentence. "So I came and in me the > line of Prophets has ended." > > The very same tradition in similar words has been reported in > Tirmidhi, Kitab-ul-Manaqib, Bab-Fadlin Nabi and Kitab-Adab, > Bab-ul-Amthal. In Musnad Abu Dawud Tayalisi this tradition has been > incorporated among other traditions reported by Jabir bin Abdullah; > and its last sentence reads, "It is in me that line of Prophets came > to its final end." > > Musnad Ahmad contains traditions reported by Hadrat Ubayyi bin Ka'b, > Hadrat Abu Sa'id Khudri and Hadrat Abu Huraira(may Allah be pleased > with them) on the same subject with a slight variation of words here > and there. > > * The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: "God has bestowed upon me six > favors which the former Prophets did not enjoy: > > I have been endowed with the gift of pithy and perfect speech. I > was granted victory owing to my awe. The spoils of war were made > lawful unto me. The whole earth has been made the place of worship for > me and it has become the means of purification for me also. In other > words in my religion, offering of prayers is not confined to certain > specified places of worship. Prayers can be offered at any place over > the earth. And in case water is not available it is lawful for my > people to perform ablutions with earth(Tayammum) and to cleanse > themselves with the soil if water for bathing is scarce. I have been > sent by Allah to carry His Divine message to the whole world. And the > line of prophets has come to its final end in me. > > (Muslim, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah) > > * The Prophet of Allah (PBUH) affirmed: "The chain of Messengers > and Prophets has come to an end. There shall be no Messenger nor > Prophet after me." (Tirmidhi, Kitab-ur-Rouya Babu Zahab-un- Nubuwwa, > Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat-Anas bin Malik) > > * The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: "I am Muhammad, I am Ahmad, I > am the effacer and infidelity shall be erased through me; I am the > assembler. People shall be assembled on Doomsday after my time. (In > other words Doom is my only successor.) And I am the last in the sense > that no prophet shall succeed me." (Bukhari and Muslim, > Kitab-ul-Fada'il, Bab: Asmaun-Nabi; Tirmidhi, Kitab-ul- Adab, Bab: > Asma-un-Nabi; Muatta', Kitab-u-Asma in-Nabi, Al- Mustadrak Hakim, > Kitab-ut-Tarikh, Bab: Asma-un-Nabi.) > > * The Prophet of God (PBUH) observed: "God Almighty hath sent > unto the world no apostle who did not warn his people about the > appearance of Dajjal( Anti-Christ, but Dajjal did not appear in their > time). I am the last in the line of Prophets and ye are the last > community of believers. Without doubt,then, Dajjal shall appear from > amongst ye". (Ibn Majah, Kitabul-fitan, bab:Dajjal). > > * 'Abdur Rahman bin Jubair reported: "I heard Abdullah bin 'Amr > ibn-'As narrating that one day the Holy Prophet (PBUH) came out of his > house and joined our company. His manner gave us the impression as if > he were leaving us.' He said, 'I am Muhammad, the unlettered prophet > of Allah' and repeated this statement three times. Then he affirmed: > "There will be no prophet after me'."(Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat'Abdullah > bin Amr ibn'-As.) > > * The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) > said: "Allah will send no Apostle after me, but only Mubashshirat. It > was said: what is meant by al-Mubashshirat. He said : Good vision or > pious vision". (Musnad Ahmad, Marwiyat Abu Tufail, Nasa'i, Abu Dawud) > (In other words there is no possibility of Divine revelation in > future. At the most if > some one receives an inspiration from Allah he will receive it in the > form of "pious dream." > > * The Holy Prophet (PBUH) said: "If an Apostle were to succeed > me, it would have been 'Umar bin Khattab." (Tirmidhi,Kitab-ul- > Manaqib) > > * The Holy Prophet (PBUH) told Hadrat 'Ali, "You are related to > me as Aaron was related to Moses(peace be upon him). But no Apostle > will come after me." (Bukhari and Muslim, Kitab Fada'il as-Sahaba) > > This tradition is recorded in Bukhari and Muslim in the account of > the Battle of Tabuk also. Musnad records two traditions narrated by > Hadrat Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas ( may Allah be pleased with him) on this > subject. The last sentence in one of these traditions runs as follows > : "Behold there is no prophethood after me." > > * Thauban reports: "The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: And there > will arise Thirty imposters in my Ummah and each one of them will > pronounce to the world that he is a prophet, but I am the last in the > line of the Prophets of God and no Apostle will come after me." (Abu > Dawud, Kitab-ul-Fitan) > > Abu Dawud in 'Kitab-ul-Malahim' has recorded another tradition > reported by Abu Huraira in the same subject. Tirmidhi has also > recorded these two traditions as reported by Hadrat Thauban and Hadrat > Abu Huraira. The text of the second tradition runs thus: "It will come > to this that thirty imposters will arise and each one of them will put > forth his claim to be the Apostle of God." > > * The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: "Among the tribe of Israel > who went before you there indeed were such people who held communion > with God, even though they were not his Prophets. If ever there arose > a person from among my people who would hold communion with God, it > would be none else but 'Umar (May Allah be pleased with him)." > (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib) > > * The Prophet of God (PBUH) said: "No Prophet will come after me > and there will, therefore, be no other community of followers of any > new prophet." (Baihaqi,Kitab-ul Rouya; Tabarani) > > * The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: "I am the last in line of the > prophets of God and my Masjid is the last Masjid (referring the holy > Masjid of the Prophet)." (see footnote 3) (Muslim, Kitab-ul-Hajj; > Bab:Fadl-us-Salat bi Masjidi Mecca wal Medina) > > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-547575-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
