The Baha'i Studies Listserv > But Bahais generally don't just stop here, and instead >would insist that Bahaullah etc. were messengers and prophets and so >Muslims must be wrong/confused/wanting to tie the hands of God, etc.
As I see it, the Qur'an contains the authentic revelation of God to Muhammad. The text of the Qur'an is true. As a Baha'i I have to believe that. Therefore, when the Qur'an says Muhammad is the Seal (last) of the messengers and prophets, I accept that as true. But apparently Baha'u'llah was of a different category, neither rasul nor nabi. So what's the problem? There is no need for this debate. The Qur'an is true, and Baha'u'llah really is the Manifestation of God for this age. Both are true. Tim All good art is about something deeper than it admits. --Roger Ebert ----- Original Message ---- From: Gilberto Simpson <gilberto.simp...@gmail.com> To: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 2:23:05 PM Subject: Re: Joseph Emmanuel The Baha'i Studies Listserv Again, if you go back to Khazeh's and Seena Fazel's interesting paper, he qutoes Juan Cole in a work of *his* on the Concept of the Manifestation in the Bahai Faith: Therefore in one sense, the Qur'ánic title of khátam al-nabiyyín (seal of the prophets) implies that the prophet and the messenger were a function of theophany which came to an end with Muhammad. "With the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh, in the Bahá'í view, humankind has entered a new religious cycle characterized by a fuller theophany. In this cycle, concepts like `prophet' and `messenger' have been transcended" (Cole, Concept 18). In support, it is significant that the authors cannot find one instance in Bahá'u'lláh's writings in which he refers to himself as a nabí (prophet) or rasúll (messenger).[37] [end quote] And I think that if Bahais just stopped here, there would be much less disagreement. But Bahais generally don't just stop here, and instead would insist that Bahaullah etc. were messengers and prophets and so Muslims must be wrong/confused/wanting to tie the hands of God, etc. __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:tnola...@yahoo.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-547581-32977.dbe40ccd11b1fb869099e58e00076...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-547664-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
