The Baha'i Studies Listserv I think that if you stick to that, more agreement is possible.
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Tim Nolan <tnola...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> But Bahais generally don't just stop here, and instead >>would insist that Bahaullah etc. were messengers and prophets and so >>Muslims must be wrong/confused/wanting to tie the hands of God, etc. > > > As I see it, the Qur'an contains the authentic revelation of God to Muhammad. > The text of the Qur'an is true. As a Baha'i I have to believe that. > > Therefore, when the Qur'an says Muhammad is the Seal (last) > of the messengers and prophets, I accept that as true. > > But apparently Baha'u'llah was of a different category, neither rasul nor > nabi. > So what's the problem? There is no need for this debate. > The Qur'an is true, and Baha'u'llah really is the Manifestation of God > for this age. Both are true. > Tim > > > All good art is about something deeper than it admits. > --Roger Ebert > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Gilberto Simpson <gilberto.simp...@gmail.com> > To: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> > Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 2:23:05 PM > Subject: Re: Joseph Emmanuel > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Again, if you go back to Khazeh's and Seena Fazel's interesting paper, > he qutoes Juan Cole in a work of *his* on the Concept of the > Manifestation in the Bahai Faith: > > Therefore in one sense, the Qur'ánic title of khátam al-nabiyyín (seal > of the prophets) implies that the prophet and the messenger were a > function of theophany which came to an end with Muhammad. "With the > Báb and Bahá'u'lláh, in the Bahá'í view, humankind has entered a new > religious cycle characterized by a fuller theophany. In this cycle, > concepts like `prophet' and `messenger' have been transcended" (Cole, > Concept 18). In support, it is significant that the authors cannot > find one instance in Bahá'u'lláh's writings in which he refers to > himself as a nabí (prophet) or rasúll (messenger).[37] > > [end quote] > > And I think that if Bahais just stopped here, there would be much less > disagreement. But Bahais generally don't just stop here, and instead > would insist that Bahaullah etc. were messengers and prophets and so > Muslims must be wrong/confused/wanting to tie the hands of God, etc. > > __________________________________________________ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:tnola...@yahoo.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to > mailto:leave-547581-32977.dbe40ccd11b1fb869099e58e00076...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > > > > __________________________________________________ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:gilberto.simp...@gmail.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to > mailto:leave-547664-68452.e157d5dc5efabb63696f251595c88...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-547679-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
