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Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:23, Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_religion > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism > > I forgot to add the above links. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:15, Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_same-sex_marriage >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_religious_groups >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_denominations_in_Judaism >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT-related_organizations >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism_and_LGBT_topics >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_that_support_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_and_religion_topics >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_homosexuality >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenderism_and_religion >> >> Also, I have a question about non-Bahais in a Bahai society, if such a thing >> will exist given the monopolistic stranglehold just four religions virtually >> have on the world religious market. >> >> Would non-Bahais be bound by Baha'i laws or not? >> >> Why should non-Bahais care about Baha'i laws? >> >> How should public policy be decided in current societies whether Jewish, >> Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 16, 2013, at 17:10, Gary Selchert <ebedeyn...@aol.com> wrote: >> >>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >>> Stephen seems to want desperately to flush us out of the underbrush on the >>> issue of all things LGBT. Clearly, the public Baha’i rules about gayness >>> are at odds with the customs of our (western) society in much the same way >>> that Baha’i rules concerning alcoholic beverages are at odds with the >>> customs of our society. They drink; we are prohibited from drinking. We are >>> prohibited from doing what gay folks do. Personally, I would way rather >>> have a drink of something strong than do what gay folks do, but that’s just >>> me. I was born a heterosexual and I know that no one born with my >>> particular preferences would never be inclined to choose to pursue same-sex >>> physical/romantic relationships. Personally, I would be leery of >>> encouraging a gay person or a devoted aficionado of microbreweries to >>> enroll as a Baha’i, (no dang it; I am not comparing homosexuality to >>> alcoholism; I am comparing it to regular social drinking!) regardless of >>> their beliefs or other sterling qualities. Folks with full knowledge of the >>> rules who do enroll as Baha’is despite their incompatible preferences (how >>> many of us can truthfully deny a predilection for back-biting?) have a >>> ready-made spiritual battle to fight. >>> >>> Having said all that, the history of religions is replete with examples of >>> the power of desuetude. Meditate on the laws of Deuteronomy chapters 21 and >>> 22. Ponder deeply the issues of Acts 4:32 – 5:13. Remember fondly Matthew >>> 19:3 – 12 and all the fun the churches have had down through the centuries >>> with issues of marriage and divorce. >>> >>> Some laws are specifically abrogated; others just fall into desuetude as >>> they become unhelpful and create barriers to inclusion and the salvation of >>> the masses. Obdurate repudiation of desuetude turns great religions into >>> tiny separatist cults. >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desuetude >>> >>> But perhaps all of that is ancient history and irrelevant in the New Order. >>> Perhaps the law is engraved in stone until the next Manifestation. I don’t >>> know. I will watch from the next world with mild curiosity about how our >>> great-great grandchildren work it all out. But I suspect not too many >>> generations will pass before Baha’is think about homosexuality in much the >>> same way that Catholics think about contraception. >>> >>> But who knows? >>> >>> GS >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> >>> To: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> >>> Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 11:15 am >>> Subject: Re: Against nature... >>> >>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >>> Opps, needed to correct one of the links. >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenderism_and_religion >>> >>> The other redirected to this one anyways. >>> >>> Don, what if the influence of all secular progressivism went away, what >>> would society look like? >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_religion >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism >>> >>> What if America or whatever else society you want to insert instead, became >>> desecularized... >>> >>> And became a Unitarian Universalists society? >>> A Neo Druidist society? >>> A Wiccan society? >>> A Raëlian society? >>> An Eckist society? >>> A Liberal Hindu society? >>> A Liberal Mahayana Buddhist society? >>> A Liberal Muslim society? >>> A Liberal Jewish society? >>> A Liberal Christian society? >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Apr 15, 2013, at 16:10, Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The Baha'i Studies Listserve >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_same-sex_marriage >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_religious_groups >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_denominations_in_Judaism >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT-related_organizations >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism_and_LGBT_topics >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_that_support_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_and_religion_topics >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_homosexuality >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_and_religion >>>> >>>> Don, you seem to think its only because of secularism that everyone isn't >>>> on the same page you? >>>> Read all the above Wikipedia articles on the various religious and >>>> theological viewpoints. __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-698437-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
