On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 01:24, Buchan Milne wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > James Sparenberg wrote: > > > OK let's try this again... please listen carefully.... slowly .... > > install MDK... start box for the very first time. Box is not connected > > to the net. Box has not yet been configured. Box is brand new. Gnome > > does not start.... proftpd does not start. Similar applications that > > initially look for localhost.localdomain before the box is configured do > > not work... We are talking pre configuration out of the box. brand new > > not aware of the world .... not 5 hours after and everything is set up. > > > But you are complaining about the wrong issue. The hostname should *not* > be set to localhost.localdomain. If it has not been configured by the > user it should be localhost. Hardcoding is the wrong approach, since it > *will* result in it breaking again some time. > > What needs to be done is that if `hostname` does not resolve, then > 127.0.0.1 `hostname` > should be added to /etc/hosts > > This would solve it in all possible cases (but could take a few seconds > to test). But what happens if the user changes their hostname? Should > the entry be removed?
Your right... it shouldn't work out of the box... solutions should not be applied that make it easier for the end user to have a working box. You win I give up. Completely. James > > > Criminy if I didn't know how to set the systems up I wouldn't have known > > what the problem is. How hard is it to understand that all that is > > needed is the default config of /etc/hosts to be > > > > 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost > > Because that is wrong. Now you change your hostname to something else, > and it all breaks again. > > > > > Like every other release of Linux / Unix /Windows / Qnix / AmigaOS out > > there in the world. > > Windows 2000 Pro and Server have the following in their > c:\WINNT\system32\drivers\etc\hosts: > > # Copyright (c) 1993-1999 Microsoft Corp. > # > # This is a sample HOSTS file used by Microsoft TCP/IP for Windows. > # > # This file contains the mappings of IP addresses to host names. Each > # entry should be kept on an individual line. The IP address should > # be placed in the first column followed by the corresponding host name. > # The IP address and the host name should be separated by at least one > # space. > # > # Additionally, comments (such as these) may be inserted on individual > # lines or following the machine name denoted by a '#' symbol. > # > # For example: > # > # 102.54.94.97 rhino.acme.com # source server > # 38.25.63.10 x.acme.com # x client host > > 127.0.0.1 localhost > > > Sorry, but I do not see a localhost.localdomain. I don't have any other > unix to check on available at the moment, but AFAIK, > localhost.localdomain was thought up by Redhat. > > > After 30 freaking years of Telecommunications > > systems and networks there isn't a whole lot of the basics I haven't > > seen. What I have seen is a whole passle of saviours of the (Lan wan > > arpanet internet etc) come and go. Out of the box not connected to > > anything but itself gnome, gnome apps take forever to start because of > > the change in what is normally available. You can set up DNS, I'm > > glad.... > > > > > > - -- > |--------------Another happy Mandrake Club member--------------| > Buchan Milne Mechanical Engineer, Network Manager > Cellphone * Work +27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 > Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za > GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc > 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQE+XyrkrJK6UGDSBKcRAlRLAJ9DNkfzcjSaFHiOV+mcyXBu6dCilgCeKuRB > SgS9LI/EMI7bD5kH6XMknLo= > =zwq6 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >
