We have an interface to fetch the RelMetadataQuery in RelOptRuleCall [1], which 
I believe is the most common routine to query metadata during planning, I’m a 
little confused for your saying

>The methods in RelMetadataQuery are for convenience only.

If these methods in RelMetadataQuery are only for convenience, what is the 
other way I can query a metadata ? The MedataFactory from the RelOptCluster ? 
(Users would never expect to use this because it’s based on Java Reflection and 
has performance problem)

[1] 
https://github.com/apache/calcite/blob/a3c56be7bccc58859524ba39e5b30b7078f97d00/core/src/main/java/org/apache/calcite/plan/RelOptRuleCall.java#L200

Best,
Danny Chan
在 2019年6月12日 +0800 AM6:27,Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>,写道:
> The goal is that it should be possible to add a new kind of metadata. The 
> methods in RelMetadataQuery are for convenience only. So you should be able 
> to use your new kind of metadata, and existing ones, without modifying 
> RelMetadataQuery.
>
> If that is not possible, it’s a bug, and you should log a JIRA case.
>
> Given how the methods re-generate handlers (by catching exceptions and 
> modifying mutable private members) I can see that new kinds of metadata might 
> be difficult to add.
>
> Julian
>
>
> > On Jun 9, 2019, at 7:54 PM, Yuzhao Chen <yuzhao....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Stamatis
> >
> > You are right, this discussion came up due to CALCITE-2885, it is not about 
> > the performance problem, it is the extension of RelMetadataQuery, because 
> > we add all kinds of top interfaces in RelMetadataQuery, e.g. the row count 
> > query [1].
> >
> > When we add a new RelMetadataProvider, a corresponding interface/method 
> > should be added into RelMetadataQuery, but for current RelOpeCluster impl, 
> > we could not do that(with a always default instance)
> >
> > As for the methods in RelMetadataProvider, i only saw the usage of 
> > #handlers in RelMetadataQuery, and saw the reference you pase, it seems not 
> > that relevant with this topic. What do you think ?
> >
> > [1] 
> > https://github.com/apache/calcite/blob/941cd4e9540e3ef9b7c15daee42831a0c63da8b9/core/src/main/java/org/apache/calcite/rel/metadata/RelMetadataQuery.java#L222
> >
> > Best,
> > Danny Chan
> > 在 2019年6月5日 +0800 AM6:44,Stamatis Zampetakis <zabe...@gmail.com>,写道:
> > > Thanks for bringing this up Danny.
> > >
> > > I guess the discussion came up due to CALCITE-2885 [1]. Looking back into
> > > it, I am not sure that the intention there is to make the RelMetadataQuery
> > > pluggable. We could possibly solve the performance problem without
> > > extending the RelMetadataQuery. We have to look again into this case.
> > >
> > > For more details regarding the existence of the two methods in
> > > RelMetadataProvider have a look in CALCITE-604 [2]. More general for the
> > > design of RelMetadataProvider you may find useful the description in [3].
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Stamatis
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CALCITE-2885
> > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CALCITE-604
> > > [3]
> > > https://web.archive.org/web/20140624040836/www.hydromatic.net/wiki/RelationalExpressionMetadata/
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 7:48 PM Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > 1. Why we have 2 methods in RelMetadataProvider?
> > > >
> > > > The metadata system is complicated. We need to allow multiple handlers
> > > > for any given call. So, making a metadata call involves multiple
> > > > dispatch [1] based on the metadata method being called, the type of
> > > > RelNode, and the handlers that are registered. Also it needs to cache
> > > > results, and detect cycles. And the dispatch needs to be efficient, so
> > > > we generate janino code to do the dispatch, and re-generate when new
> > > > handlers or sub-classes of RelNode are added.
> > > >
> > > > I forget details, the two methods are basically required to allow us
> > > > to generate code to do the dispatch.
> > > >
> > > > > 2. We should make the RelMetadataQuery in RelOptCluster pluggable.
> > > >
> > > > I disagree. RelMetadataQuery is not an extension point. Its sole
> > > > purpose is to to keep state (the cache and cycle-checking).
> > > > RelMetadataProvider is the extension point. (By analogy, if you are
> > > > un-parsing an AST, you let each AST sub-class handle unparsing itself,
> > > > but the unparsed text goes to a simple StringBuilder. RelMetadataQuery
> > > > is in the role of the StringBuilder. In a complex system, it is nice
> > > > to keep some of the components simple, or at least keep them to
> > > > prescribed roles.)
> > > >
> > > > Julian
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_dispatch
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 11:19 PM Yuzhao Chen <yuzhao....@gmail.com> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently we provide answer to metadata query through
> > > > RelMetadataProvider [1], there are some sub-classes of it:
> > > > >
> > > > > RelMetadataProvider
> > > > > |
> > > > > |- VolcanoRelMetadataProvider
> > > > > |- ChainedRelMetadataProvider/DefaultRelMetadataProvider
> > > > > |- HepRelMetadataProvider
> > > > > |- CachingRelMetadataProvider
> > > > > |- ReflectiveRelMetadataProvider
> > > > > |- JaninoRelMetadataProvider
> > > > >
> > > > > The RelMetadataProvider has two methods: #apply and #handlers, the
> > > > #apply method seems a programming interface and there is a demo code 
> > > > how we
> > > > can use it:
> > > > >
> > > > > RelMetadataProvider provider;
> > > > > LogicalFilter filter;
> > > > > RexNode predicate;
> > > > > Function<RelNode, Metadata> function =
> > > > > provider.apply(LogicalFilter.class, Selectivity.class};
> > > > > Selectivity selectivity = function.apply(filter);
> > > > > Double d = selectivity.selectivity(predicate);
> > > > >
> > > > > But let's see our RelOptCluster's member variables[2], there are
> > > > MetadataFactory and RelMetadataQuery which all can be used to query the
> > > > metadata, for MetadataFactory, there is a default impl named
> > > > MetadataFactoryImpl which will invoke RelMetadataProvider#apply 
> > > > internally,
> > > > for RelMetadataQuery, it will invoke RelMetadataProvider#handlers 
> > > > (finally
> > > > composed and codeden by JaninoRelMetadataProvider).
> > > > >
> > > > > In our planning phrase, we can invoke RelOptRuleCall#getMetadataQuery 
> > > > > to
> > > > get the MQ and query the metadata.
> > > > >
> > > > > For extension of metadata handlers, we can set our customized
> > > > RelMetadataProvider in RelOptCluster[3]. But for RelMetadataQuery, we 
> > > > have
> > > > no way to extend it now, because the RelOptCluster always has a 
> > > > singleton
> > > > instance [4] which is only the default implementation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My question is as follows:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Why we have 2 methods in RelMetadataProvider, and why we need the
> > > > MetadataFactory and RelMetadataProvider#apply ? It seems that it's 
> > > > function
> > > > is already been overriden by RelMetadataQuery(The difference is that
> > > > MetadataFactory use Reflection and RelMetadataQuery use gened bytes 
> > > > code).
> > > > > 2. We should make the RelMetadataQuery in RelOptCluster pluggable.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > https://github.com/apache/calcite/blob/b0e83c469ff57257c1ea621ff943ca76f626a9b7/core/src/main/java/org/apache/calcite/rel/metadata/RelMetadataProvider.java#L38
> > > > > [2]
> > > > https://github.com/apache/calcite/blob/b0e83c469ff57257c1ea621ff943ca76f626a9b7/core/src/main/java/org/apache/calcite/plan/RelOptCluster.java#L49
> > > > > [3]
> > > > https://github.com/apache/calcite/blob/b0e83c469ff57257c1ea621ff943ca76f626a9b7/core/src/main/java/org/apache/calcite/plan/RelOptCluster.java#L135
> > > > > [4]
> > > > https://github.com/apache/calcite/blob/b0e83c469ff57257c1ea621ff943ca76f626a9b7/core/src/main/java/org/apache/calcite/plan/RelOptCluster.java#L151
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Danny Chan
> > > >
>

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