I admit to a huge amount of ignorance about JSF. I have partly been stymied by an inability to decide on a text to read. I have always liked Hans work, and may go that direction. I cannot know, of course, how that ignorance impacts my part in this discussion. I do think that in any event it is wise for shale to accommodate but not be tied to a particular implementation, if there is no penalty for that, and I cannot see one. I have always found that allowing options in the long run.
Jacki On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:06:32 -0500, Joe Germuska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >The focus of the visual component base solution > >would be to create a XML definition, backed > >beans, and an abstract factory/ cache to manage > >the resources. Create a view controller or > >action class that knows how to use the metadata > >to manage corresponding model classes. And view > >helpers that would encapsulate the call back to > >the models when generating a presentation. > >It's not as sexy as faces? Thanks for listeningâ >ti > What you describe still sounds like it's > essentially rewriting Faces-type functionality. > > I think I'm warming up to Craig's point. The > only reason we shouldn't use JSF is if we don't > like the processing model it provides. If we > like the processing model it provides, we > shouldn't go to the trouble to rewrite it. Folks > who want to do that can work on the MyFaces > implementation instead. > > My JSF experience is still limited to reading > about it. I find it pretty interesting. I've > read some commentary that pegs it as overkill, > but haven't reached that conclusion myself. I'd > be better off talking about it if I'd used it > more. > > The point being that JSF stakes out a lot of > territory for the view-side of the equation. > Craig's deep familiarity with it makes it a > natural way for him to envision the > view-controller side of Shale. If people think > it's not a good solution to the view-controller > side, then they should articulate why -- and even > if the why is just "i'd rather not buy into JSF > yet," then they should come up with an alternate > description of the view controller's > responsibilities. Then people can make a choice > based on how it works rather than what its called. > > Joe > -- > Joe Germuska > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://blog.germuska.com > "In fact, when I die, if I don't hear 'A Love > Supreme,' I'll turn back; I'll know I'm in the > wrong place." > - Carlos Santana > -- "You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep." ~Native Proverb~ "Each man is good in His sight. It is not necessary for eagles to be crows." ~Hunkesni (Sitting Bull), Hunkpapa Sioux~ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
