This seems more about Neotarf's personal ban more than anything else. Looking at the arbcom findings of fact (which I won't quote here), it doesn't look like the ban was related to the gender gap on Wikipedia as much as behaviour displayed towards other editors.
Maybe it would be better for the mailing list if we stopped talking about this? Just a suggestion. On 15 Jul 2017 8:20 PM, "Nathan" <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote: I believe because the ArbCom case regards the 'Gender Gap Task Force' On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 7:24 PM, JJ Marr <jjm...@gmail.com> wrote: > How does this relate to the gender gap on Wikimedia again? > > On 15 Jul 2017 6:00 PM, "Neotarf" <neot...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just to follow up, the WMF has now responded. I appreciate them taking > time to review these concerns. > > > >>>your best course of action is to discuss the PII situation with WMF > Legal. > > Been and done, also involvement from C-levels, although that was some time > ago > > > >>>a few other remedies which could come into play, but they would almost > certainly take longer and be more politically problematic than a minimal > intervention > > If this is necessary, we should not shrink from it. If this can happen to > me, it can happen to anyone -- your students, your employees, or someone > like Bassel Khartabil. The arbitrators should not be using dox as a tool to > silence voices for diversity or as an arbitration outcome. > > The foundation lost social capital during the media viewer/visual > editor/flow controversies, because the community went to a great deal of > effort to document the problems with those products, and was not listened > to. But that was a long time ago, and the community has now lost the high > ground, largely because of the gender issue. 640 people voted in the 2014 > arbcom election, but after this GGTF case, 2674 people voted in the 2015 > election. Is there any doubt that the arbcom is out of touch with the > community, and that the community process is failing? The arbitration > committee was not established by the community, it was established by Jimmy > Wales. Is there any doubt the foundation has the capability and the > resources to step in and protect the long term interests of the movement if > the arbcom and the community process can not? > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Unfortunately I don't think there is much more I can do here. Based on >> what you wrote, I think that your best course of action is to discuss the >> PII situation with WMF Legal. There are a few other remedies which could >> come into play, but they would almost certainly take longer and be more >> politically problematic than a minimal intervention in which WMF Legal >> clarifies to the Ombuds and Arbcom what is required under WMF's >> interpretation of its privacy policy. >> >> Pine >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Neotarf <neot...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The privacy policy as written certainly leads users to expect their PII >>> is safe. There is nothing I can find in the written policy that would back >>> the idea that the ombuds should refuse to remove PII if they think it might >>> have been posted in good faith. If it could be used to identify someone, it >>> should just be removed. That's just basic safety. Maybe they are not >>> allowed to go against arbitrators I also don't understand why arbitrators >>> would insist on posting PII over and over. We have seen too much what that >>> can lead to. In all fairness, the gamergate sub-reddit was very >>> professional and removed the dox within an hour of my request. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hmm. I'd like to take a closer look at this, but unfortunately I'm >>>> already backlogged with other projects. I wish I knew what to suggest here. >>>> If you have already been to the Ombudsman Commission and you disagree with >>>> their interpretation of WMF policies, then you might try to contact WMF >>>> Legal, although I don't know to what extent they will want to involve >>>> themselves. >>>> >>>> For what it's worth, if I had my way the OC would (1) have >>>> significantly more independence from the WMF Board and staff and (2) be >>>> issuing monthly or quarterly reports about its activities, but >>>> realistically the current setup is likely to continue for the foreseeable >>>> future. >>>> >>>> Pine >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gendergap mailing list >>>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >>> visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please >> visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please > visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap > _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
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