Re： [DISCUSSION] Incubating Proposal of Firestorm

BLAST Wed, 18 May 2022 00:42:33 -0700

&nbsp;Hi ShengWu
&nbsp; &nbsp;Is there a successful precedent for this open source in the 
community?




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在 2022/5/18 下午2:50，“Sheng Wu”<wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com&gt; 写入:

&nbsp;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hi Firestorm community

&nbsp;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Considering what Yu Li is proposing, I would recommend you 
could do

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; some discussions directly, maybe off the list if you want.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Both of the projects are young and very new to the 
community, it may

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; be not a concern from my perspective(may be concerned by 
some IPMC),

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; as one/both could fail in the incubating. But with you are 
going to

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; work on the similar things, the challenge would be for both 
of your

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; projects to establish the incubating process. Also, when we 
talk about

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; graduation in the future, it would be my concern of causing 
confusion

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to users.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Two TLPs are nearly the same is really not a good practice 
from the

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; foundation level.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; We heartfully welcome you to join Firestorm project and 
community.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So, I suggest not just saying joining Firestorm, this may be 
a simple

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; reaction, I hope you could do more.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This is an opportunity to do a bigger and more powerful 
project

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; supported by Tencent and Alibaba's initial teams.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I know it is not easy to do a joint project, but it is 
actually much

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; better to see you two competing with each other in the next 
1-2 years.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In the ASF, we hope to create a better project for the whole 
industry.

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sheng Wu 吴晟

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Twitter, wusheng1108

&nbsp;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jerry Shao <js...@apache.org&gt; 于2022年5月18日周三 14:38写道：

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Hi Yu，

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; IMO, I think we're open and welcome all the 
contributions. We heartfully

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; welcome you to join Firestorm project and community.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Best regards,

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Jerry

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; Yu Li <car...@gmail.com&gt; 于2022年5月18日周三 13:36写道：

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; Hi Jerry,

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; Good to see the proposal for incubating a uniform 
remote shuffle service.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; Coincidently, we are preparing an incubating 
proposal for the same

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; direction based on two open source projects 
Alibaba is driving [1] [2], and

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; I'm the champion for that. Our proposal is still 
not fully prepared because

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; the merge of the two projects is still in 
progress, and I'm writing this

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; email to check whether it's possible that we have 
a joint force to achieve

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; the same goal. I believe it will be cool if we 
could do this together,

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; although there will be a lot (more) work to do to 
make this happen.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; Please let me know your thoughts and let's have 
more discussions if you're

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; also interested. Thanks.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; Best Regards,

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; Yu

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; [1] 
https://github.com/flink-extended/flink-remote-shuffle

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; [2] https://github.com/alibaba/RemoteShuffleService

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; On Wed, 18 May 2022 at 12:15, Jerry Shao 
<js...@apache.org&gt; wrote:

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sure Felix, let me add you to the list.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; Best,

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; Jerry

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; Felix Cheung <felixche...@apache.org&gt; 
于2022年5月18日周三 11:59写道：

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Same here, would love to see if I can 
help, Jerry.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:31 PM Saisai 
Shao <sai.sai.s...@gmail.com&gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; wrote:

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks Weiwei, let me add you to 
the mentor list.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Best regards,

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Jerry

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Weiwei Yang <w...@apache.org&gt; 
于2022年5月17日周二 12:18写道：

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; +1

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; This is an interesting 
project, I'd be happy to help the project's

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; incubation process.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Let me know if you need my 
help, Thanks

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 8:09 
PM Saisai Shao <

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; sai.sai.s...@gmail.com&gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; wrote:

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Got it, thanks a lot 
Justin.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Best regards,

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Jerry

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Justin Mclean 
<jus...@classsoftware.com&gt; 于2022年5月17日周二 10:59写道：

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Hi,

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The new project name 
doesn’t need to be a registered trademark,

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; but

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; you

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; would still need to 
pick a name that is now likely to have any

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; trademark

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; issues.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The project may want 
to get the ASF to register the mark at a

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; later

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; date,

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; but it wold be best 
to talk abut that on the trademarks@ list.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Kind Regards,

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Justin

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;

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