Hello Ted :

Yes the millions I'm talking about are deployed in production. If that's so 
complicated then I guess we have has 2 small groups of magicians at Cisco alone 
; ) I'm aware of competition as well. Plus my private pre-RPL implementation 
that took less than a month to code and test.

As the moment all deployed nodes are equally capable, meaning that the leaves 
are capable to be routers. They are all powered and always son.

The second generation that we are preparing will have low-power leaves that
- are duty cycled
- do not need to understand any of RFC 6550.

The WIP draft is https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves

We've made it so that the 6LoWPAN ND interface (RFC 8505) is enough to register 
to abstract connectivity services  that can be ND proxy or routing. The unaware 
leaves spec redistributes addresses learned via ND into RPL; we have a similar 
operation in DC routing to inject virtual machines / containers addresses in 
RIFT. It should work with other IGPs as well, and even BGP/eVPN, why not?

All the best

Pascal

From: Ted Lemon <mel...@fugue.com>
Sent: lundi 7 octobre 2019 15:27
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthub...@cisco.com>
Cc: Ole Troan <otr...@employees.org>; Markus Stenberg <homenet@ietf.org>; 6MAN 
<6...@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping devices...

On Oct 7, 2019, at 3:37 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) 
<pthub...@cisco.com<mailto:pthub...@cisco.com>> wrote:
Too bad then... I still fail to see why the model cannot be generalized to more 
powerful nodes.

Because it is maximally complex?   :]

You say that RPL has scaled to millions of nodes.   Where is this deployed in 
production?   What are the leaf nodes doing?   With what are they communicating?

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