Hi Alex, I appreciate where you are coming from, however there is a big difference between sticky blunder traps (targeting insects) and glue boards (targeting rodents). I agree that the larger rodent-type glue boards are inhumane and I do not use them precisely for that reason. The small sticky blunder traps, however, are the best tool I have for insect monitoring, which is critical for preventive conservation of collections. While I have occasionally (rarely) found a small baby mouse stuck to the blunder traps, they are generally not strong enough to hold rodents. When needed, I use snap traps for rodents, which generally kill efficiently with hopefully minimal fear and suffering for the animal. Ironically, as Gretchen pointed out, live traps are probably the least humane of all because if not found immediately the rodent can meet an unpleasant death from starvation / dehydration before being detected. Careful attention to housekeeping and exclusion from our buildings is the best defense against having to kill creatures unnecessarily in the name of our work. None of us enjoys killing any creature, but sometimes it is simply unavoidable.
Dee Dee A. Stubbs-Lee, MA, FIIC, CAPC Conservator / Restauratrice New Brunswick Museum 277 Douglas Avenue Saint John, New Brunswick E2K 1E5 Canada (506) 643-2341 From: 'Wade, Alexandra' via MuseumPests [mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 2:36 PM To: pestlist@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PestList] catch and release traps Thank you all for your thoughtful response. We do have a very robust IPM program in place. We have low pest activity and the space is well monitored, cleaned and maintained. We have not moved away from traditional traps and we still adhere to the highest standards in collections care. That being said this question has been raised time and again by many visitors and other staff members that find it uncomfortable that we still use sticky traps. Although I do my best to explain this is industry standard there has been a call for us to look into it, so here I am. Whilst I appreciate that ethical traps may not be possible at the moment, I think it is always worth asking the question to the community to make sure there isn't something new we could be trying. I am always looking to improve our service to make it as up to date and robust as possible. Our collections are of course our priority. Thank you again for all of your input and thoughts on this. Kind regards, Alex ________________________________ From: pestlist@googlegroups.com<mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com> <pestlist@googlegroups.com<mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Anderson, Gretchen <anders...@carnegiemnh.org<mailto:anders...@carnegiemnh.org>> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 4:08 PM To: pestlist@googlegroups.com<mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com> <pestlist@googlegroups.com<mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com>> Subject: RE: [PestList] catch and release traps THIS IS AN EXTERNAL EMAIL I also completely agree with Fran and Joel’s response was excellent. As conservators and collections care staff, we are responsible for maintaining collections to the best of our ability. In relationship to this list serve and to the question under discussion, it is our responsibility to protect those collections from pests – insect, rodent etc. If we can do it in a humane manner so much the better. At this time, the most effective way to monitor for insects is with sticky (glue) traps or light traps (depending on the insect). The most humane manner to monitor for mice is a snap trap. Catch and release rodent traps are available but extremely staff intensive. If the mouse is not released in short order it will die of dehydration (within less than a day). I once saw a female mouse who had given birth in a catch and release trap – with-in 12 hours she and her litter were dead. That is not humane. If you release near the building they will probably come back in, or will be killed by mice already living in the territory they were released. Poison is horrid for the mice (they bleed to death internally) and will die in the walls or under cabinets, attracting dermestids. By using accepted standards of IPM – Understanding what is in your building or collection through monitoring, blocking holes into the building, good housekeeping, managing environment, etc. we can reduce infestations. This is labor intensive, but is much safer for the collection and for staff and public than any other method. Good luck Gretchen Anderson Gretchen Anderson Conservator Carnegie Museum of Natural History (Preferred pronouns: she/her) anders...@carnegiemnh.org<mailto:anders...@carnegiemnh.org> Mobile: 412-420-9083 From: pestlist@googlegroups.com<mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com> <pestlist@googlegroups.com<mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cheri Schneider Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 10:15 AM To: pestlist@googlegroups.com<mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: [PestList] catch and release traps CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Agreed. And support Fran’s statement and suggestions. From: 'Ritchie, Fran E' via MuseumPests <pestlist@googlegroups.com<mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 10:12 AM To: pestlist@googlegroups.com<mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [PestList] catch and release traps Hi Thomas, I encourage you to be more collegial in your responses. Your one-liner doesn’t provide any constructive feedback and only serves to prevent people from posting in the future. There are hundreds (or more) people in the PestList community, and it should be a place for them to turn to regardless of experience and ideas. Best, Fran Fran Ritchie, Conservator (Objects) Harpers Ferry Center fran_ritc...@nps.gov<mailto:fran_ritc...@nps.gov> American Institute for Conservation Professional Associate (peer-reviewed) From: 'Thomas Parker' via MuseumPests <pestlist@googlegroups.com<mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com>> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 6:37 AM To: pestlist@googlegroups.com<mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PestList] catch and release traps This email has been received from outside of DOI - Use caution before clicking on links, opening attachments, or responding. You’ve gone off the deep end Alex. On Jul 25, 2023, at 5:59 AM, 'Wade, Alexandra' via MuseumPests <pestlist@googlegroups.com<mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com>> wrote: Hi all, I hope you're all well. I'm working in an archive, undertaking a large pest monitoring programme. Recently, there has been an increased interest in moving away from the standard of glue traps and changing to a more ethical method. I'd love to try an ethical catch and release method for pest monitoring. However we are interested in monitoring pests as small as booklice up to spiders. The size range make creating a trap that won't exclude a pest or allow another one to escape the trap quite difficult. In the first instance does anyone have any resources/ideas or thoughts on ways I could create a catch and release trapping system? It would need to be something that sits on the floor, and relatively flat to the floor as well to allow the smaller pests to crawl in. I have no idea if this is possible or just a pipe dream but any thoughts or ideas would be welcome. 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