(Jock--you probably meant to address this to Emily, but people who might be 
researching might find my comments helpful.)

Yes and I liked the Selle Anatomica one I tried.  Still, it was too 
narrow.  I could feel the saddle between my sitsbones, not under them.

What's the guidelines for saddle width--sitsbones distance + 20 cm?     
Whatever it is, my "perfect number" on paper was more than the 170cm of the 
B17 (I think "perfect number" was 180cm).  That's why I was so interested 
in the new Riv saddle 
https://www.rivbike.com/products/saddle-182-55-plastic-vegan-comfortable  
at 182 cm.   Right now I'm riding B68's and I have a newly reissued B72 to 
put on my Betty Foy.  I ride fairly upright, but not bolt upright.

I think Emily should experiment with the cutouts.  I have a feeling she 
leans more than me (she said "soft tissue" issues).  

On Thursday, March 28, 2024 at 10:22:12 AM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

> Roberta, have you experimented with a cut-out saddle? 
>
> Jock
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 12:20 AM Roberta <rcha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The Philadelphia Trek store can measure sits bones. Perhaps there is one 
>> near you to give you some direction?
>>
>> I prefer a flat top like the B68 to a rounder top B17. I also have wide 
>> sits bones, so B17 too narrow for me.   I tilt the saddle nose up, so I’m 
>> sitting on the flat back part of the saddle.  Otherwise I slide to the 
>> front sitting on the nose part, and that is very irritating.  Where are you 
>> sitting on the saddle?
>>
>> Also take notice where the seams of your underwear are when you’re riding 
>> as sit bones on seams are irritating. 
>>
>> Roberta
>> Philadelphia 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 4:00:24 PM UTC-4 Emily Guise wrote:
>>
>>> Hello folks, I come to the group with a dilemma. I've never had a saddle 
>>> that I could ride for longer than 20 miles comfortably. I've always ended 
>>> up with sore sit bones, numb soft tissue, or both. This has really limited 
>>> my ability to go on longer trips and after my five day ride on the C&O 
>>> canal trail last Sept, it was more apparent than ever I need to find a 
>>> saddle that won't hurt. 
>>>
>>> I've tried dozens of saddles over the last 15 years- leather, plastic, 
>>> cutouts, no cutouts, wide, medium, softer, harder, you name it. :( Most of 
>>> the saddles that have stayed on my bikes for longer than a month have a 
>>> central cut out, are on the wider side, and plastic. They're good for 
>>> around town, but that's it. I've never had my sit bones measured. 
>>>
>>> It occurred to me recently that because I've never had a truly 
>>> comfortable long-distance saddle, I have no idea how one feels. So I 
>>> figured I'd ask the group. How did The One saddle feel for you? Did it 
>>> "disappear"? Was it love at first sit? Did it need to be adjusted a lot 
>>> before finding the ideal position? Is there a certain amount of miles you 
>>> ride before it becomes uncomfortable? 
>>>
>>> I'd love to hear the group's collective wisdom so I know what to look 
>>> for in the next saddle I try out. Thanks! 
>>>
>>>
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