On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 3:37 PM Marc Culler <marc.cul...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think that CyPari ;and CyPari2 provide a relevant example. > > Some background ... CyPari is a PyPi package with binary wheels which > predates and was the starting point for Sage's cypari2 (hence the 2 in the > name). The basis for CyPari was Sage's pari module. That module was > modified to make it independent from the rest of Sage so that Sage's Pari > support could be provided as a component of SnapPy. Binary wheels for CyPari > are available for Windows, macOS and manylinux. The current versions of > those wheels are statically linked against Pari 2.15.4 > > The binary wheel for CyPari weighs in at 7MB. Sage's CyPari2 is available as > a binay wheel for macOS and manylinux and the size is of the same order of > magnitude. When they are unpacked and installed the sizes of these python > packages are respectively 19MB and 7.5MB (cypari2 is linked against the > dynamic libraries libgmp and libpari, which together are about 12MB and which > are external to the python package). A full Sage installation is about 5 > gigabytes. With some significant omissions and compression of the > documentation, the macOS app squeezes that down to 3.4GB. > > So the size of this one significant self-contained component of sage is about > 200 times smaller than the full sage installation and it could be made > installable on Windows with some additional work which has already been done > for a very closely related package.
cypari2 is indeed self-contained (with libpari and libgmp added to the count), and provides a Pari-Python interface. This full installation takes about 35 Mb. But it's not a relevant example, cause it's a very limited functionality. This is unlike sagemath-graphs, etc, which are, as I wrote, very far from being self-contained. Many of them, with all of its dependencies installed, will be blow up to a good half of the whole Sage, if not more. So there are no 10000% savings on bandwidth here, more like 30%-50%, or less. Dima > > - Marc > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 8:48 AM Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benja...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 at 15:27, Marc Culler <marc.cul...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > The projects that will really benefit from modularization will be those >> > that provide their own limited mathematical context. Developers of such >> > projects will be able to choose which parts of Sage are relevant to their >> > specific context. Those parts of Sage can be provided for their users >> > without having to embed a huge monolithic environment into a relatively >> > small project. >> >> Is the benefit in this case mainly about reduced disk/network usage? >> >> I could imagine other theoretical benefits like maybe some parts could >> be installed natively on Windows or some parts might be easier to >> provide binaries for etc. >> >> Are there any indicative numbers for what the size would be when >> installing some useful portion of Sage vs installing the whole of >> Sage? >> >> -- >> Oscar >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "sage-devel" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/sage-devel/mqgtkLr2gXY/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CAHVvXxQUanPY%3D1svhf7Q8xDFD5BroD9wTLRc1-wmFC3vQhBMRg%40mail.gmail.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CALcZXREFctqVF8Hr1B%2Bmz9WfhV9Dspop5EmWN7Q%2BsYdJLvnh4w%40mail.gmail.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-devel/CAAWYfq2PGYDXTUP-1uCsSefDTKr45QFNbLQOk9%3Dgsx6EBzF9QQ%40mail.gmail.com.
