This was one of my guesses because that ticket could have changed global 
behavior of Sage by changing some imports — most of the tickets made more 
focused changes. Can you start with 9.8.beta6 and just apply some of the 
changes from #34547? In particular, do things work if you don't include the 
changes in all_cmdline.py?

-- 
John


On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 5:15:53 AM UTC-8 axio...@yahoo.de wrote:

> I just spent some time to debug this, but I failed.  The problem seems to 
> be that sage-shell:wait-for-redirection-to-complete in 
> https://github.com/sagemath/sage-shell-mode/blob/80fbb4ee9ed8507d22214ed7a4ffd135c9e8c7c8/sage-shell-mode.el#L889
>  
> does not return.  There is only one python file involved, 
> https://github.com/sagemath/sage-shell-mode/blob/master/emacs_sage_shell.py, 
> but I do not see what #34547 has to do with it.  Something about 
> lazy_import maybe?
>
> I can see that in sage-shell:run-cell-raw-output the command
>
> _emacs_sage_shell.run_cell_and_print_msg_id("_emacs_sage_shell.print_sage_root()",
>  
> ’emacs_sage_shell_msg_idb3d6f70f24e51147305a3aea036ba747start’, 
> ’emacs_sage_shell_msg_idb3d6f70f24e51147305a3aea036ba747end’)
>
> was sent to the process (using process-send-string), and after that,
>
>         (sage-shell:wait-for-redirection-to-complete)
>
> never returns.  I don't know how to debug the python code, unfortunately.  
> Most importantly, I don't see what changed - what does #34547 have to do 
> with it?
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 11:09:23 UTC+1 axio...@yahoo.de wrote:
>
>> Indeed, that was a great suggestion: 9.8.beta6 works - and it seems that 
>> #16522 was already in 9.8.beta6.  However 9.8.beta6 + #34547 fails.
>> Not sure where to go from here.  Should I open a ticket on trac?
>>
>> For me personally, this is a blocker, but I have no idea how many emacs 
>> users there are.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 24 January 2023 at 10:21:11 UTC+1 axio...@yahoo.de wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for this suggestion!  I will try with 9.8.beta6 + #33842.  I 
>>> hope that all dependencies are in the branch.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> On Monday, 23 January 2023 at 21:32:10 UTC+1 John H Palmieri wrote:
>>>
>>>> Could it be #34547, #16522, or #33842? I'm just taking guesses based on 
>>>> the newly merged tickets.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 10:42:37 AM UTC-8 emanuel.c...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From someone called mantepse in the sage-shell-mode 
>>>>> <https://github.com/sagemath/sage-shell-mode/issues/69#issuecomment-1400278482>
>>>>>  issue 
>>>>> on github :
>>>>>
>>>>> ```
>>>>> It is really strange: I have a 9.8.beta7 build and a 9.8.beta6 build. 
>>>>> Apparently, if I first use the beta6 one for sage-shell-mode, I can then 
>>>>> use beta7 in the same emacs session.
>>>>> ```
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't get it either...
>>>>>
>>>>> There are two short Python files in the current `sahe-shell-mode` 
>>>>> emacs package, which are my prime suspects for an incompatibility with 
>>>>> Python 3.11. Now for a strategy for debugging *this*...
>>>>>
>>>>> Any idea ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Le lundi 23 janvier 2023 à 10:48:48 UTC+1, axio...@yahoo.de a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Emacs stopped working for me again!  I don't get it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is terrible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 January 2023 at 14:41:04 UTC+1 emanuel.c...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This patches fix my Fricas issue indeed. But losing the Emacs 
>>>>>>> interface is a big hit for me, so I revert to 9.6.beta6 for now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you nevertheless !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le vendredi 20 janvier 2023 à 22:58:53 UTC+1, John H Palmieri a 
>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the hopes that this will fix it, I opened 
>>>>>>>> https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/34927.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 1:46:02 PM UTC-8 John H Palmieri 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does this change fix the fricas.py failure?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> diff --git a/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py 
>>>>>>>>> b/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>> index dc2ce71f26..ceba6f90dc 100644
>>>>>>>>> --- a/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>> +++ b/src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>> @@ -891,7 +891,7 @@ http://fricas.sourceforge.net.
>>>>>>>>>          """
>>>>>>>>>          EXAMPLES::
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> -            sage: fricas.__reduce__()                             
>>>>>>>>>               # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>> +            sage: FriCAS().__reduce__()                           
>>>>>>>>>               # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>              (<function reduce_load_fricas at 0x...>, ())
>>>>>>>>>              sage: f, args = _                                     
>>>>>>>>>               # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>              sage: f(*args) 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 20, 2023 at 12:34:21 PM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>>> emanuel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apart from the  Emacs issye alteady reported 
>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/sage-release/c/QRjzctTlVeU/m/MKACzqcVAQAJ>,
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> I get the three permanent failures I reported for the previous 
>>>>>>>>>> betas, as 
>>>>>>>>>> well as a new one, which gives three errors :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> charpent@zen-book-flip:/usr/local/sage-9$ sage -t --long 
>>>>>>>>>> --warn-long 259.6 
>>>>>>>>>> --random-seed=41414648133166628206443904124754495105 
>>>>>>>>>> src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py  # 3 doctests failed
>>>>>>>>>> Running doctests with ID 2023-01-20-20-50-00-ee865d6d.
>>>>>>>>>> Git branch: develop
>>>>>>>>>> Git ref: 9.8.beta7
>>>>>>>>>> Running with SAGE_LOCAL='/usr/local/sage-9/local' and 
>>>>>>>>>> SAGE_VENV='/usr/local/sage-9/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.10'
>>>>>>>>>> Using 
>>>>>>>>>> --optional=debian,dot2tex,fricas,gap_packages,libsemigroups,mathics,mathics_scanner,msolve,palettable,pint,pip,saclib,sage,sage_spkg
>>>>>>>>>> Features to be detected: 
>>>>>>>>>> 4ti2,benzene,bliss,buckygen,conway_polynomials,csdp,cvxopt,database_cremona_ellcurve,database_cremona_mini_ellcurve,database_cubic_hecke,database_jones_numfield,database_knotinfo,dvipng,gfan,graphviz,imagemagick,jupymake,kenzo,latte_int,lrslib,mcqd,meataxe,msolve,nauty,palp,pandoc,pdf2svg,pdftocairo,phitigra,plantri,polytopes_db,polytopes_db_4d,pynormaliz,python_igraph,rubiks,sage.combinat,sage.geometry.polyhedron,sage.graphs,sage.groups,sage.misc.cython,sage.plot,sage.rings.number_field,sage.rings.padics,sage.rings.real_double,sage.symbolic,sage_numerical_backends_coin,sagemath_doc_html,sphinx,tdlib
>>>>>>>>>> Doctesting 1 file.
>>>>>>>>>> sage -t --long --warn-long 259.6 
>>>>>>>>>> --random-seed=41414648133166628206443904124754495105 
>>>>>>>>>> src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>> File "src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py", line 894, in 
>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>> Failed example:
>>>>>>>>>>     fricas.__reduce__()                                           
>>>>>>>>>> # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>> Exception raised:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>> 695, in _run
>>>>>>>>>>         self.compile_and_execute(example, compiler, test.globs)
>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>> 1093, in compile_and_execute
>>>>>>>>>>         exec(compiled, globs)
>>>>>>>>>>       File "<doctest 
>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__[0]>", line 1, in <module>
>>>>>>>>>>         fricas.__reduce__()                                       
>>>>>>>>>>     # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/lib/python3.10/copyreg.py", line 76, in 
>>>>>>>>>> _reduce_ex
>>>>>>>>>>         raise TypeError(f"cannot pickle {cls.__name__!r} object")
>>>>>>>>>>     TypeError: cannot pickle 'LazyImport' object
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>> File "src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py", line 896, in 
>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>> Failed example:
>>>>>>>>>>     f, args = _                                                   
>>>>>>>>>> # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>> Exception raised:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>> 695, in _run
>>>>>>>>>>         self.compile_and_execute(example, compiler, test.globs)
>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>> 1093, in compile_and_execute
>>>>>>>>>>         exec(compiled, globs)
>>>>>>>>>>       File "<doctest 
>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__[1]>", line 1, in <module>
>>>>>>>>>>         f, args = _                                               
>>>>>>>>>>     # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>     TypeError: cannot unpack non-iterable int object
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>> File "src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py", line 897, in 
>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>> Failed example:
>>>>>>>>>>     f(*args)                                                     
>>>>>>>>>>  # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>> Exception raised:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>> 695, in _run
>>>>>>>>>>         self.compile_and_execute(example, compiler, test.globs)
>>>>>>>>>>       File "/usr/local/sage-9/src/sage/doctest/forker.py", line 
>>>>>>>>>> 1093, in compile_and_execute
>>>>>>>>>>         exec(compiled, globs)
>>>>>>>>>>       File "<doctest 
>>>>>>>>>> sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__[2]>", line 1, in <module>
>>>>>>>>>>         f(*args)                                                 
>>>>>>>>>>      # optional - fricas
>>>>>>>>>>     NameError: name 'f' is not defined
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>> 1 item had failures:
>>>>>>>>>>    3 of   4 in sage.interfaces.fricas.FriCAS.__reduce__
>>>>>>>>>>     [277 tests, 3 failures, 42.89 s]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> sage -t --long --warn-long 259.6 
>>>>>>>>>> --random-seed=41414648133166628206443904124754495105 
>>>>>>>>>> src/sage/interfaces/fricas.py  # 3 doctests failed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Total time for all tests: 48.0 seconds
>>>>>>>>>>     cpu time: 4.2 seconds
>>>>>>>>>>     cumulative wall time: 42.9 seconds
>>>>>>>>>> Features detected for doctesting: 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>> Le jeudi 19 janvier 2023 à 00:48:25 UTC+1, Volker Braun a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As always, you can get the latest beta version from the 
>>>>>>>>>>> "develop" git branch. Alternatively, the self-contained source 
>>>>>>>>>>> tarball is 
>>>>>>>>>>> at http://www.sagemath.org/download-latest.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We should probably gear up for a 9.8 release soon, so get your 
>>>>>>>>>>> tickets ready ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 047281e0287 (trac/develop, tag: 9.8.beta7) Updated SageMath 
>>>>>>>>>>> version to 9.8.beta7
>>>>>>>>>>> 272c557d1f3 Trac #31668: Run TestSuite on polynomial rings
>>>>>>>>>>> 6f8fb9ba3ef Trac #22067: generating function of integral points 
>>>>>>>>>>> of polyhedra
>>>>>>>>>>> 5544a33b815 Trac #21003: Add package pyscipopt, add MIP backend
>>>>>>>>>>> b0422b2536b Trac #34838: setuptools_scm, contourpy, 
>>>>>>>>>>> sphinxcontrib_websupport, typing_extensions: Add missing 
>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>> 30d58156a46 Trac #34717: Check the presence of lrsnash for 
>>>>>>>>>>> obtain_nash()
>>>>>>>>>>> c7299453922 Trac #34891: fixing some E502 in tensor, dynamics, 
>>>>>>>>>>> modules, plot, numerical
>>>>>>>>>>> bc832cb3578 Trac #34889: Installation guide: On WSL, clear 
>>>>>>>>>>> /mnt/c stuff from PATH
>>>>>>>>>>> 3570a9a63bd Trac #34881: allow to remove no constraints
>>>>>>>>>>> 0ceb1032430 Trac #34878: 
>>>>>>>>>>> MixedIntegerLinearProgram.add_constraint: Option to return row 
>>>>>>>>>>> indices, fix 
>>>>>>>>>>> handling of empty constraints
>>>>>>>>>>> df74efb66d2 Trac #34859: sagelib: Remove unnecessary import of 
>>>>>>>>>>> typing_extensions
>>>>>>>>>>> b6a76d7a848 Trac #34857: bump giac's GIAC_MIN_VERSION to 1.9
>>>>>>>>>>> 6a8155e6e5d Trac #34854: molien_series() should not use GAP's 
>>>>>>>>>>> VirtualCharacter
>>>>>>>>>>> dddf3ca0b08 Trac #34853: sage-env: Fix misconfiguration of pip
>>>>>>>>>>> 6f631021ac4 Trac #34847: modernize some for loops in cython files
>>>>>>>>>>> 9ffabc7f3e1 Trac #34844: removal of some unused imports about 
>>>>>>>>>>> string conversion
>>>>>>>>>>> 4b50bc2af27 Trac #34843: pep8 cleanup in 
>>>>>>>>>>> ore_polynomial_element.pyx
>>>>>>>>>>> bdd14cec19b Trac #34837: fix E502 in some pyx files
>>>>>>>>>>> 172ad73ae38 Trac #34836: fix E271 and E272 in rings/ and schemes/
>>>>>>>>>>> 3d861266040 Trac #34749: Packages dsdp, scip_sdp
>>>>>>>>>>> 64d232b5bfd Trac #31329: Update scipoptsuite to 8.0.2 (now open 
>>>>>>>>>>> source!), rename to scip
>>>>>>>>>>> 2dcafb3ac57 Trac #34839: Support tox 4
>>>>>>>>>>> ad68f15d97f Trac #34648: Developer's guide: warn the transition 
>>>>>>>>>>> to GitHub and add links to the transition guide
>>>>>>>>>>> acebbc1a9e8 Trac #34824: do not include parent in hash of 
>>>>>>>>>>> parking functions
>>>>>>>>>>> 9a7b6310dde Trac #34818: Error when defining differentials over 
>>>>>>>>>>> GCA's with relations.
>>>>>>>>>>> bb63c582122 Trac #34807: Add Construction of Hadamard matrices 
>>>>>>>>>>> up to order 664
>>>>>>>>>>> 8a0b16d93be Trac #34804: Deprecate sage.interfaces is_...Element 
>>>>>>>>>>> functions
>>>>>>>>>>> 80f8f950e95 Trac #34793: clean 3 files inside modular
>>>>>>>>>>> b0cc282500e Trac #34547: Interfaces: use more lazy imports, 
>>>>>>>>>>> restore top-level functions maxima_console etc.
>>>>>>>>>>> 5905da7ebfc Trac #33915: inseparable elliptic-curve isogenies
>>>>>>>>>>> 98b22ebdcf7 Trac #32826: scalar-multiplication endomorphisms of 
>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic curves
>>>>>>>>>>> 4f11a750df9 Trac #8744: Improve add_edge in BipartiteGraph to 
>>>>>>>>>>> make it independent from the current coloring
>>>>>>>>>>> 08aa2f8edaa Trac #33842: Upgrade python to 3.11
>>>>>>>>>>> 75bedf95960 Trac #34783: various details in combinat/
>>>>>>>>>>> 33fa8715bd5 Trac #34742: Optional package soplex (dependency of 
>>>>>>>>>>> scip)
>>>>>>>>>>> f84915f69d8 Trac #34726: Optional package papilo (dependency of 
>>>>>>>>>>> scip)
>>>>>>>>>>> e5cf1c0d9f2 Trac #34694: Bug in ExteriorAlgebra interior product
>>>>>>>>>>> ebb9b611d02 Trac #34416: Manage pexpect logs created during 
>>>>>>>>>>> doctesting
>>>>>>>>>>> 962177a2da1 Trac #33907: interfaces/expect.py random test failure
>>>>>>>>>>> 66409243991 Trac #16522: lazy_import doesn't resolve properly 
>>>>>>>>>>> when indirectly imported
>>>>>>>>>>> 2114066f877 (tag: 9.8.beta6) Updated SageMath version to 
>>>>>>>>>>> 9.8.beta6
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>

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